Osama bin Laden is dead

[cooran]

You're right, Ben.
No point being hateful. My apologies. Stick with Dhamma. I'll try to do that.

Good to read this alan. It is natural that at first unwholesome feelings will flash up - but, as time passes, we may be able to view Osama with compassion - particularly knowing the akusala kamma he has incurred.

with metta
Chris

[adosa]

The Iraq war lead by George W. Bush because of wrong information killed many more innocent people than Al-Qaida ever killed.
George W. Bush's conduct was not more moral than the conduct of Bin Laden.

Having delight in the death of anyone of these killers is lead by delusion.

As is clinging to view, which induces suffering as much as any other form of clinging.


adosa

[BlackBird]

You're right, Ben.
No point being hateful. My apologies. Stick with Dhamma. I'll try to do that.

Refreshingly honest.

[plwk]

I had to ask...is Ben Laden even 'real'?

[David2]

The Iraq war lead by George W. Bush because of wrong information killed many more innocent people than Al-Qaida ever killed.
George W. Bush's conduct was not more moral than the conduct of Bin Laden.

Having delight in the death of anyone of these killers is lead by delusion.

As is clinging to view, which induces suffering as much as any other form of clinging.


adosa

Do you mean anything in my post indicates that I am clinging to something?

[Alex123]

I'm happy to hear it. To hell with him!

This is terrible. A Buddhist should not condone this. Everyone deserves forgiveness, and everyone deserves compassion. I wish Osama happiness and to change his ways. Americans bomb other nations, install their own dictators, try to grab their resources, and wonder why people hate them. This death will solve nothing but to enrage muslims even more.

No matter how much we dislike someone, it is no reason to hate.

[tiltbillings]

Everyone deserves forgiveness, and everyone deserves compassion. I wish Osama happiness and to change his ways.

Sure, after he gets to spend awhile in a hell realm where he gets to experience the fear, the anguish, the sense of loss, the terror and the physical pain of each of the victims of what he perpetrated, and add to that the pain, anguish, and enduring sense of loss felt by each of the victims' loved ones. Then we can talk about compassion and forgiveness. Anything else is glibness that has no basis in human reality.

He needs to feel what this man felt and what his family felt:

[tiltbillings]

Americans bomb other nations, install their own dictators, try to grab their resources, and wonder why people hate them.

The Americans are pikers compared to the British and their very long and horrible history. Even so, it is no excuse for Bin Laden's bahavior

[Alex123]

Hello Tilt,

Angulimala, a mass murderer who killed 999 people, became an Arahant. So people can change, and may even have a soft side (despite one sided portrayal by the media). And in any case, it is not a reason to hate someone or wish them ill.

5. Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased. This is a law eternal.
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He needs to feel what this man felt and what his family felt:

That is hatred/ill will. This "eye for an eye" may be within Christianity, but not Dhamma. I am against murder, and do not approve of it, but it is not a reason to hate the suffering person.

[tiltbillings]

. So people can change,

I did not say people cannot change, but I am not jejunely naive about it.

He needs to feel what this man felt and what his family felt:

That is hatred/ill will. This "eye for an eye" may be within Christianity, but not Dhamma. I am against murder, and do not approve of it, but it is not a reason to hate the suffering person.

Hatred? Not at all. You do not understand compassion. Take the word at its radical root. It is something Bin Laden obviously did not understand and was totally incapable of understanding, and stint in a hell realm where he would have to experience the suffering of others would be a good thing for him.

As for the rest of your msg, it is to be ignored.

[meindzai]

My facebook page is lighting up with celebration, and apparently everybody is suddenly patriotic again. I clicked on a news story link and there was a battery commercial that was already playing on the patriotic theme - the sappy, swelling music, the slow motion flags waving. The same type of thing I remember seeing after 9/11. Undoubtedly it will help if not assure that Obama gets re-elected. I don't know what else the result will be. It all seems rather perverse. You can have whatever opinion on it you want. The only resounding message that comes screaming out from my computer and radio today is this: This is Samsara.

-M

[Alex123]

. So people can change,

I did not say people cannot change, but I am not jejunely naive about it.

You may not be "jejunely naive about it", but you are wishing him to hell. That hateful attitude is not Buddhist.

Remember 4 Brahmaviharas? We are supposed to send metta & karuṇā even to the enemies.


This action will not solve anything. If anything, it will simply enrage muslims more. It will give them more motivation for revenge. Muslims had their reasons to take their revenge, now they have even more.

[tiltbillings]

. So people can change,

I did not say people cannot change, but I am not jejunely naive about it.

You may not be "jejunely naive about it", but you are wishing him to hell. That hateful attitude is not Buddhist.

Remember 4 Brahmaviharas? We are supposed to send metta & karuṇā even to the enemies.

I am wishing for him to learn compassion -- anukampa -- sympathy in its fullest meaning of those words. He obviously had not a clue.

[Alex123]

I am wishing for him to learn compassion -- anukampa -- sympathy in its fullest meaning of those words. He obviously had not a clue.

He was doing what he was trained by Americans to do.

He had his reasons to hate America. Why is it wrong for him to take his revenge, yet is alright for Americans to kill thousands of civilians in illegal wars using illegal weapons (DU ammunition)?

Judging by your attitude, if you lived in his conditions (where your people were slaughtered by more powerful nations) you would be exactly the same. "They did us wrong, so lets do them wrong".

As Buddhists we must develop more loving kindness and compassion, regardless of what they did, and regardless of their wisdom (or lack of it). It doesn't mean we affirm what they did.


I hope that now since it is over, Obama brings back the troops and spends more money for peaceful ends.

[tiltbillings]

I am wishing for him to learn compassion -- anukampa -- sympathy in its fullest meaning of those words. He obviously had not a clue.

He was doing what he was trained by Americans to do.

Non-sense, and this really warrants no response.

As I said, I hope Bin Laden gets the opportunity to develop compassion/sympathy from first hand experience.