Is halloween dead?

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Is halloween dead?

Post by Individual » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:35 pm

This year, lots less people trick-or-treating and giving out candy -- especially on my court -- despite the fact that the weather was unusually nice.

I rarely ever give out candy because Halloween is my mom's birthday. And even if it wasn't her birthday, it would be such a burden.

Halloween is a holiday for brats. For little dwarves, imps, and ogres, to stalk the streets (many of which who are too old) demanding candy and throwing eggs, tossing toilet paper over trees, stealing candy from other kids ("bag-snatching"), etc.. It's an awful holiday, which until this year has gotten worse year-after-year. The only thing positive about it is when parents get to make costumes for their toddlers.



A couple friends on facebook said the same thing, coincidentally! :)

I prefer the foreign equivalents: the "Day of the Dead" in Mexico and the Ghost Festival of China, Japan, etc.. In those traditions, it is more about reflecting on death, and honoring & remembering dead ancestors.
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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by Hoo » Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:39 pm

Halloween is not dead, though many of its minions are. And the ones that are alive are usually stirring up trouble for those who aren't - bubble bubble, toil and trouble.... :stirthepot:

A comforting thought (for me at least) is that Halloween will be here long after we are all gone.

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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by MJH » Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:59 pm

When I lived in the states, I always found that Sunday nights were the worst for halloween. Most of the little kids have their parties on Saturday and the big kids aren't really going to be trick or treating anyway. Different kinds of fun for them! :jumping:

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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by bodom » Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:29 pm

Halloween is a holiday for brats..


You sound like a bitter old man.

Maybe one day if or when you have kids you will see the fun in it again. I took my 'brat' trick or treating for her first time last night and had a great time with family.

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Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this-just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle.

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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by cooran » Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:57 pm

Hello Individual,

Halloween has never really been a custom in Australia, and due to retail pressures mostly, it has only begun to be observed over the last couple of years. As the report says, it's always been seen as an American custom.
Things like this are occurring:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 053404.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by tiltbillings » Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:39 pm

bodom wrote:
Halloween is a holiday for brats..


You sound like a bitter old man.
And at a young age. It is stylish.
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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by Kenshou » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:03 pm

Not dead... undead.

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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by Ceisiwr » Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:36 pm

Kenshou wrote:Not dead... undead.
:rofl:

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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by Monkey Mind » Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:21 pm

I don't know if Halloween is dead, but I think neighborhood Trick-Or-Treating is a dying art form. I think it reflects a cultural shift towards fear and paranoia. There has never been a single documented case of someone putting razor blades or rat poison in Halloween candy, but if you survey modern parents the majority will tell you that neighborhood Trick-Or-Treating is no longer safe.

A couple of weeks ago I asked a bhikkhu if alms rounds were the inspiration for Trick-Or-Treating. Not understanding that I was joking, he cited the mendicant monks of early Christian traditions as being a more likely source.
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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by andre9999 » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:39 pm

There are a few very pleasant things about Halloween that for me far outweigh the burden of buying candy and answering the door fifty times. For one, I get to take my son trick-or-treating, which makes him happy... and him being happy *always* makes me happy. And when I hand out candy, I get to see a lot of kids smiling and having a good time.

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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by Individual » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:44 pm

I would make a distinction between the satisfaction of the craving for candy and true happiness
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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by tiltbillings » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:48 pm

Individual wrote:I would make a distinction between the satisfaction of the craving for candy and true happiness
Of course you would, but why demean small joys of sharing and mudita between a father and a son?
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723

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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by Individual » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:51 pm

tiltbillings wrote:
Individual wrote:I would make a distinction between the satisfaction of the craving for candy and true happiness
Of course you would, but why demean small joys of sharing and mudita between a father and a son?
Good point. :)
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Re: Is halloween dead?

Post by Maitri » Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:54 am

I don't think Halloween is dead at all. I live in the southern U.S., so it doesn't have the same autumn feeling as up north, but plenty of people still enjoy the holiday. My husband and I carved jack-o-lanterns and handed out candy to kids on Sunday night. All of our neighbors put up scary houses for the kids and made some scared they wouldn't come to our door with our two little pumpkins. :jumping:

Anyway, I was taught by my mother that Halloween was the closest time to the dead than any other time of the year. That has stayed with me. So I welcome any beings hanging around to come practice metta.
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