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Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by bodom » Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:55 am

I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road. -Stephen Hawking

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:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With no struggling, no thinking,
the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
to allay all stress.

- Upasika Kee Nanayan

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by Hoo » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:57 pm

bodom wrote:I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road. -Stephen Hawking

:thumbsup:

:anjali:
An excellent quote, Bodom :)

My home-grown favorite is "Those who argue against phenomenal reality need to take up that argument with an onrushing train. I plan to adopt the view of the winner."

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by Fede » Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:52 pm

I like -

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by acinteyyo » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:24 pm

bodom wrote:I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road. -Stephen Hawking

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:anjali:
I never really understood such sayings. I'm not somebody supporting the view that everything is predestined btw, but I don't see a logical connection. I mean, why shouldn't people who claim everything is predestined, look before they cross the road? Looking before crossing a road would be also predestined in this case and they couldn't do anything to change it. You cannot necessarily draw conclusions from the fact that they look before crossing the road.

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by bodom » Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:02 pm

It is simple. No need to complicate or speculate.

We have choice. We have choice each and every moment. We create our own destiny, our own Heaven and Hell in this present moment by the choices we make.

To me, this quote from Stephen Hawking is not saying anything different than what the Buddha said about intention/kamma or conditionality. Thats why I posted it.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With no struggling, no thinking,
the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
to allay all stress.

- Upasika Kee Nanayan

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by lojong1 » Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:12 am

Predestined or chosen...I think I'm where acinteyyo is at there, except...
I have seen police 'Choicers' use the beliefs of homeless 'Predestiners' to try and institutionalize them (they failed, thank the stars) when other legal means failed to eliminate the eyesores.
The Predestiners appeared to mean 'Dependent Origination', only lacking buddhist lingo, while the police were sure all the Predestiners had to do was 'choose' to get a job immediately and everyone would be happy.
Is the idea of 'choice' less skillful than 'predestiny'?
Predestined choice, Dependent Origination--same difference until Nibbaana.

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by octathlon » Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:40 am

bodom wrote:It is simple. No need to complicate or speculate.

We have choice. We have choice each and every moment. We create our own destiny, our own Heaven and Hell in this present moment by the choices we make.
If you think about it, it is not simple or obvious at all. Causes and conditions. A being is born in specific circumstances dictated by causes and conditions, acts based on thoughts and feelings arising from causes and conditions, which give rise to more causes and conditions, and on and on. Couldn't the sense that you are choosing your actions by your own free will be just as illusory as the sense that you are an independently existing "self"? How would you be able to know for sure?

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by bodom » Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:53 am

Oh jesus just forget it..sorry I posted the quote.

May you all be Well, Happy and Peaceful!

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With no struggling, no thinking,
the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
to allay all stress.

- Upasika Kee Nanayan

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by jcsuperstar » Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:58 am

bodom wrote:Oh jesus just forget it..sorry I posted the quote.

May you all be Well, Happy and Peaceful!

:anjali:
FWIW i liked it. thanks for posting it. reminds me of some conversations i had in thailand about magic vs kamma
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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by octathlon » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:19 am

Well, OK, I wasn't trying to cause trouble. I seriously think it's an interesting question, that I would have thought Buddhists who seriously examine the nature of our existence would not be put off by.
:shrug: I never know what kind of reaction to expect around here. Where's the "walk on eggshell" emoticon?

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by plwk » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:24 am

reminds me of some conversations i had in thailand about magic vs kamma
Pray tell... :tongue:

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by Ben » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:02 am

bodom wrote:Oh jesus just forget it..sorry I posted the quote.

May you all be Well, Happy and Peaceful!

:anjali:
Thanks for posting, Bodom!
I greatly appreciate your contributions here.
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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by Reductor » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:05 am

Ben wrote: Thanks for posting, Bodom!
I greatly appreciate your contributions here.
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I echo that sentiment, and found the quote amusing. Thanks.

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by Thales » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:48 am

I always liked this one from Lao Tzu:

If lightning is the anger of the gods, the gods are concerned mostly with trees. :anjali:
"Just as the ocean has a single taste, the taste of salt, so this Dhamma and Discipline has a single taste, the taste of release."

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Re: Quote from Stephen Hawking

Post by Anicca » Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:03 am

bodom wrote:Oh jesus just forget it..sorry I posted the quote.
Hey dude - don't take it so hard - it was your destiny! :console:

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