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Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by clw_uk » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:18 pm

Just wanted to see what peoples take is on the Buddhas Dhamma. Do you consider it a religion, philosophy or something else?
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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by Ngawang Drolma. » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:25 pm

I think it's a religion.

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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by Cittasanto » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:27 pm

well if you look at Ancient Greek Philosophy it is very very similar, and philosophers have been Killed for creating new gods, it is also very similar to religion in a lot of ways.
I think it is a way of life which can be seen or viewed as anything people think it is
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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by piper » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:31 pm

Philosophy operates within the realm of discernment or wisdom, and religion involves transcendence. The NEFP contains both aspects.

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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by Cittasanto » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:35 pm

Hi Piper
piper wrote:Philosophy operates within the realm of discernment or wisdom, and religion involves transcendence. The NEFP contains both aspects.
What is NEFP?
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill

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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:37 pm

Greetings,

I think both words "religion" and "philosophy" carry with them a lot of baggage that is inappropriate to Buddhism.

The Dhamma is a path of self-liberation.

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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by clw_uk » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:53 pm

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

I think both words "religion" and "philosophy" carry with them a lot of baggage that is inappropriate to Buddhism.

The Dhamma is a path of self-liberation.

Metta,
Retro. :)

I agree, to me the words religion and philosophy fall short of describing what the Dhamma is.
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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by Fede » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:55 pm

Manapa wrote:Hi Piper
piper wrote:Philosophy operates within the realm of discernment or wisdom, and religion involves transcendence. The NEFP contains both aspects.
What is NEFP?
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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by piper » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:56 pm

Manapa wrote:Hi Piper
piper wrote:Philosophy operates within the realm of discernment or wisdom, and religion involves transcendence. The NEFP contains both aspects.
What is NEFP?
Oops... I meant the Noble Eightfold Path. :embarassed:

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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by Element » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:01 pm

For me, whilst having elements of both, Buddhism is 'dharma' and 'dharma' is sustenance & skilful means.

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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by Aloka » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:31 pm

I agree with Retro and also with Element's comment on Dharma.

However, if someone says to me "What is your religion?" - then I'll answer "Buddhism" !

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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by Cittasanto » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:03 am

Thanks Fede & Piper
not seen that Abrev before
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill

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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by pererin » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:53 am

The wisdom which liberates?
"I am an All-transcender, an All-knower,
Unsullied by all things, renouncing all,
By craving's ceasing freed. And this I owe
To my own wisdom ..."

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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by pink_trike » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:49 am

Perhaps similar to what Element and Retro said...I think it is simply a "way of life" - neither science, or philosophy, or psychology, or religion...although containing elements of all of these...and more importantly, likely not specifically conceived as any of these.
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Re: Buddhism - Religion or Philosophy

Post by Ben » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:06 am

According to my teacher, an 'art of living'.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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loud gush the streamlets,
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