Champions league final - a case for contemplation

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Champions league final - a case for contemplation

Post by Bundokji » Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:52 pm

Even though this thread is discussing events happened during a football match (Liverpool vs Real Madrid - Champions league final), the aim is not discussing football, but to understand conventional reality including self view. So, you don't have to be a football fan to contribute to this thread.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44367148

As per the above link, Loris Karius (Liverpool's goal keeper) was blamed for making two mistakes which cost his team the champions league final (he even received death threats from some Liverpool fans after the game). Then a medical report emerged claiming that he might have suffered a concussion during the game which affected his performance.

The implications of the medical report are related to how we as human beings perceive the limits of our responsibility. If he suffered from a concussion during the game, then he is not as blameworthy for the mistakes as if he was in a "normal" state.

But why self view (responsibility) is more associated with the mind than the body? would we be equally compassionate and forgiving towards his mistakes if he was simply nervous because he was playing in a final game?

Another interesting point is that he did not seem aware of having a concussion while playing, and the whole debate whether he had one or not is currently done between the so-called "medical experts". During the game, his medical team did not notice that he had a concussion, so he was not "declared" as having one and continued to play till the end of the game.

The following few lines in the article has to do with "objectivity":
No-one will know if it was concussion or the pressure of the match that led to Karius' mistakes from an objective point of view.

That is part of the problem, says Stewart, as diagnosis relies on someone's opinion.

"There are no objective diagnostic tests," he adds.
In our daily life and when we practice, when should we hold ourselves responsible?

Your thoughts and input are welcome.

Mod note: moved to DWE, see: https://dharmawheel.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6
Last edited by DNS on Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

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