grigoris wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 10:31 amAnother irrelevant quote to back to an illogical and pointless opinion.
Since my suggestion was basically irrefutable it appears I was victorious in this debate by your refusal to acknowledge what is plainly obvious, namely at enlightenment the Buddha discerned heaven & hell. Obviously, we do not see eye to eye because you appear to have the Christian-Mahayana baggage that heaven is in the clouds & hell is beneath the earth and the other realms are other physical plains. Myself, I only have seen the hell the Buddha taught about, which is the "hell" of unpleasant & unwanted feelings arising at the eye, ears, nose, tongue, body & mind. Abortions can lead to hell. There are many videos on You Tube & elsewhere with women talking about their abortion experiences. In many of these, it appears plainly obvious these ladies experienced some "hell" ("sadness", "regret", "unhappiness", "grief", etc) from abortions. However, with wisdom, they can forgive & return to love. Best wishes.
grigoris wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 8:39 amthey should refrain from judging...
Sounds like more Christian baggage.
Matthew 7:1-6 New International Version (NIV) Judging Others “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. In the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
James 5:9 Don’t grumble against one another, brothers and sisters, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!