Non-woo quantum consciousness

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Non-woo quantum consciousness

Post by Polar Bear » Tue May 01, 2018 5:36 am

My subscription to futurism.com on Facebook resulted in an article popping up on my newsfeed titled: Scientists Have an Experiment to See If the Human Mind Is Bound to the Physical World.

In brief-
Theoretical physicist Lucien Hardy wants to push the boundaries of quantum physics by performing a Bell test, using humans as links. This could potentially shed light on the existence of human consciousness and just what it is made of.
I found Hardy’s paper here: Proposal to use Humans to switch settings in a Bell experiment

Abstract:
In this paper I discuss how we might go about about performing a Bell experiment in which humans are used to decide the settings at each end. To get a sufficiently high rate of switching at both ends, I suggest an experiment over a distance of about 100km with 100 people at each end wearing EEG headsets, with the signals from these headsets being used to switch the settings.
The radical possibility we wish to investigate is that, when humans are used to decide the settings (rather than various types of random number generators), we might then expect to see a violation of Quantum Theory in agreement with the relevant Bell inequality. Such a result, while very unlikely, would be tremendously significant for our understanding of the world (and I will discuss some interpretations).
Possible radical implications aside, performing an experiment like this would push the development of new technologies. The biggest problem would be to get sufficiently high rates wherein there has been a human induced switch at each end before a signal as to the new value of the setting could be communicated to the other end and, at the same time, a photon pair is detected. It looks like an experiment like this, while challenging, is just about feasible with current technologies.
Basically he wants to test for Cartesian dualism in a rigorous scientific way. For now, I skipped over all the meat of the paper and just read the intro and the philosophy part at the end since I have no mathematical or physics training besides Intro to Stats and Astronomy 101, but I think it sounds cool and as far as I’m aware is the only (potentially) non-woo idea utilizing quantum mechanics to look for novelties about consciousness. I might read the whole paper soon to allow myself to soak up whatever is simple enough for me to get, but mostly I’m just interested in the idea of using science to test for a philosophical subject with such a long and prominent history.

I’m sincerely hoping that our resident physicist and dispeller of delusion
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Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:29 am
will weigh in on whether the experiment seems interesting and worthwhile, assuming you have the time and interest Mike.

So, what do you all think?

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"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Non-woo quantum consciousness

Post by JamesTheGiant » Tue May 01, 2018 9:19 am

Pretty cool! I'd love to see the experiment done.
I read the report on the PEAR experiments, and was disappointed. The results were so tiny.
This is similar but different, it seems.
It's good that there are working scientists out there who aren't afraid to investigate non-conventional areas of research, but still in a proper rigorous manner.
Let's hope they don't stuff it up with fraudsters on staff, or sloppy methodology .

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Re: Non-woo quantum consciousness

Post by dylanj » Tue May 01, 2018 9:37 am

susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Non-woo quantum consciousness

Post by mikenz66 » Tue May 01, 2018 9:38 am

I like the idea of trying to test whether consciousness can produce something outside of "normal" physical phenomena, but I haven't had time to read about the details.

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Re: Non-woo quantum consciousness

Post by mikenz66 » Fri May 11, 2018 1:59 am

This recent study might be of interest:
Computer gamers close “freedom of choice loophole” of quantum entanglement

The Big Bell Test Collaboration has put quantum entanglement to the test with help from about 100,000 computer gamers worldwide. Run by an international team of physicists, the experiment used decisions by members of the public to close the “freedom of choice loophole” in several different Bell tests – which show that the quantum entanglement of two systems violates local realism.
https://physicsworld.com/a/computer-gam ... anglement/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 135409.htm
https://www-nature-com.ezproxy.canterbu ... 18-05073-5

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