Why are you practising Buddhism?

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Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by DCM » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:28 pm

I started off practising to try and improve myself, to be an easier person to live with, and to find some peace.

Now after nearly 3 years in total, I’m not so sure. The goal in the Nikayas isn’t the worldly improvements above, but even though I can say the goal is Cessation Of Existence, I’m not really sure where I’m going or what I’m aiming for. Sad but true.

What are you practising for, and why?

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by JamesTheGiant » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:36 pm

I practise because life is a relentless grinding nightmare, a hideous lurch from one suffering to the next.

Is it obvious my antidepressants have stopped working? Yeah, life sucks, even though I live in one of the best countries in the world, and I don't have to work to survive.
I want out.
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by Zom » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:31 pm

The goal in the Nikayas isn’t the worldly improvements above
One of the goals in Nikayas *is* wordly improvements. Buddha keeps saying again and again: 1) happiness in this life 2) in future lives 2) of nibbana.
but even though I can say the goal is Cessation Of Existence, I’m not really sure where I’m going or what I’m aiming for.
It depends. I'm happy with how and what my practice brought. And ye... while nibbana is nibbana, path to it lies through joyful, blissful states - and these are to be attained first. Without such attainments no need to think much about nibbana.
What are you practising for, and why?
For decrease of all negative mental states. Why? Less problems, more happiness. Also getting nice rebirth is a worthy life goal. Meeting Dhamma in the next life is a worthy life goal. So I'm working on these things -)

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by DNS » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:58 pm

Zom wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:31 pm
The goal in the Nikayas isn’t the worldly improvements above
One of the goals in Nikayas *is* wordly improvements. Buddha keeps saying again and again: 1) happiness in this life 2) in future lives 2) of nibbana.
but even though I can say the goal is Cessation Of Existence, I’m not really sure where I’m going or what I’m aiming for.
It depends. I'm happy with how and what my practice brought. And ye... while nibbana is nibbana, path to it lies through joyful, blissful states - and these are to be attained first. Without such attainments no need to think much about nibbana.
What are you practising for, and why?
For decrease of all negative mental states. Why? Less problems, more happiness. Also getting nice rebirth is a worthy life goal. Meeting Dhamma in the next life is a worthy life goal. So I'm working on these things -)
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There is dukkha when one is poor, dukkha when one is middle-class, dukkha when one is rich. However, there is considerable increase in general happiness when one comes out of poverty and then after upper-middle-class there is a diminishing returns where there is no increase in happiness and in many cases happiness can even decrease.

We hear on the news all the time of celebrities, professional athletes etc suffering from depression and some commit suicide. Ernest Hemmingway and Robin Williams both had fame, riches, wealth, oceanfront homes, forest homes and both committed suicide around age 61.

The Dhamma provides the benefits Zom noted and one need not wait until full enlightenment to realize it. There is a gradual reduction in unhappiness, stress and increase in happiness, equanimity to handle the vicissitudes of life.

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by Sam Vara » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:34 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:58 pm
Ernest Hemmingway and Robin Williams both had fame, riches, wealth, oceanfront homes, forest homes and both committed suicide around age 61.
I'm hanging on until my next birthday to get out of the danger zone... :tongue:

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by ryanM » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:38 pm

all my friends were doing it. also, I hear the nymphs in heaven are quite beautiful.
sabbe dhammā nālaṃ abhinivesāya

"nothing whatsoever should be clung to"

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by Disciple » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:05 pm

For personal peace and self-discipline. Every man needs a code to live by.

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:13 am

Greetings DCM,
DCM wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:28 pm
What are you practising for, and why?
At this point it's because, to quote the Theosophical Society, "there is no religion higher than the truth".

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Metta,
Paul. :)
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:20 am

Peace
“The goal of this meditation is the beautiful silence, stillness and clarity of mind.”

Meditation is the way to achieve letting go. In meditation one lets go of the complex world outside in order to reach the serene world inside. In all types of mysticism and in many traditions, this is known as the path to the pure and powerful mind. The experience of this pure mind, released from the world, is very wonderful and blissful. Often with meditation there will be some hard work at the beginning, but be willing to bear that hard work knowing that it will lead you to experience some very beautiful and meaningful states. They will be well worth the effort! It is a law of nature that without effort one does not make progress. Whether one is a layperson or a monk, without effort one gets nowhere, in meditation or in anything.

Effort alone, though, is not sufficient. The effort needs to be skilful. This means directing your energy just at the right places and sustaining it there until its task is completed. Skilful effort neither hinders nor disturbs you, instead it produces the beautiful peace of deep meditation. In order to know where your effort should be directed, you must have a clear understanding of the goal of meditation. The goal of this meditation is the beautiful silence, stillness and clarity of mind. If you can understand that goal then the place to apply your effort, the means to achieve the goal becomes very clear.

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by Kim OHara » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:29 am

DCM wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:28 pm
I started off practising to try and improve myself, to be an easier person to live with, and to find some peace.
Me too, although not in quite the same order. :smile:
They are still my main reasons, and are now in your order :twothumbsup: but I have added "to help others" (the bodhisattva aspiration) to the list. It just seems to belong there.

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by dylanj » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:20 am

nibbāna
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by SarathW » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:29 am

Eliminate Dukkha.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:30 am

“Good, good, Anurādha! In the past, as today, all I describe is suffering and the cessation of suffering.”

https://suttacentral.net/sn22.86/en/sujato



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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by DCM » Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:45 am

dylanj wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:20 am
nibbāna
Why?

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:26 pm

Why should I meditate?

The answer is simple, to enjoy true happiness.

We all know what it's like to feel happy. We have felt this many times. The problem is that invariably this feeling of happiness does not last, it ends up disappearing. How many times do we want to get something believing that would bring true happiness. By getting what we want, the feeling of happiness can be extremely intense and rewarding, but after some time we no longer feel the same thing and even begin to see defects in what once seemed completely perfect. Our reaction, as a rule, is to defect in the object. That is, if what we have obtained did not bring complete and lasting happiness, it is because we have not found the right thing and thus we have left in search of something else that is perfect and lasting. And so we continue in our quest without end.

But there is a happiness that is perfect and lasting, that does not disappear and that does not depend on the circumstances. True happiness is in the interior, in our own minds, can not be found in the outside world. This happiness is not selfish because it does not need to take anything from anyone and does no harm to anyone, because if our happiness has to depend on taking something from other people or the suffering of other people, they will somehow try to give an end to it. The happiness that comes from the interior does not have to end and does not need to take anything from anyone, so it is an act of wisdom and an act of compassion. To find it, the only possible method is meditation.

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:07 pm

Verse 289. The Path To The Deathless

Having understood this fact
the wise by virtue well-restrained
swiftly then should clear the path
leading to Nibbana.


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Explanation: Being aware that no one can rescue you from death, the wise person, who is restrained and disciplined, should clear the path to Nibbana, without any loss of time.

http://www.buddhanet.net/dhammapada/d_path.htm


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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by binocular » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:12 pm

DCM wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:28 pm
What are you practising for, and why?
Well, I wouldn't say that I'm practising. But that aside, I'm interested in Buddhism because everything else seems too hard to do.

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by xofz » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:23 pm

JamesTheGiant wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:36 pm
I practise because life is a relentless grinding nightmare, a hideous lurch from one suffering to the next.

Is it obvious my antidepressants have stopped working? Yeah, life sucks, even though I live in one of the best countries in the world, and I don't have to work to survive.
I want out.
Yeah it's a huge shit-show, with temporary satisfaction that is supposed to make one ok with life. Best to just focus on becoming aware all the time and let everything else happen around you, rather than with you. No need to get too involved in this circus act. When it comes to conditioned phenomena, the good just doesn't outweigh the bad. It only appears to sometimes.
My real life name is Sam.

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by DCM » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:55 pm

binocular wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:12 pm
DCM wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:28 pm
What are you practising for, and why?
Well, I wouldn't say that I'm practising. But that aside, I'm interested in Buddhism because everything else seems too hard to do.
In my experience doing non Buddhist stuff is a hell of a lot easier, and what got me in a mess in the first place!

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Re: Why are you practising Buddhism?

Post by DCM » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:57 pm

JamesTheGiant wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:36 pm
I practise because life is a relentless grinding nightmare, a hideous lurch from one suffering to the next.

That’s how I feel at the moment, but it SEEMS even practicing is giving the same results right now.

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