Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by Meezer77 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:34 pm

binocular wrote:
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Your post is such a strong reminder of the viewtopic.php?f=45&t=30890&start=80 thread. It is the "Is Ganges river back flow in Varanasi?" thread....do you remember it?
You've got that wrong. This whole Pepsi scenario started out with a monk having an unwholesome desire. There was no such thing with the Buddha.
I think I heard this story before. He was travelling for a while and was really thirsty. He just wanted a drink not specifically Pepsi, but Pepsi turned up, or maybe it was coke? So not really unwholesome but the 9 bottles is most likely a fib

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by ryanM » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:36 pm

We spend our time concerned about a thought a monk made years ago in Thailand? I'm not condemning your initial inquiry, No Mind. It's just that the conversation has turned fantastic.
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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by Meezer77 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:46 pm

ryanM wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:36 pm
It's just that the conversation has turned fantastic.
No Mind has a talent for that ☺️

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by aflatun » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:46 pm

No_Mind wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:27 pm

You should really visit the forum by the self proclaimed arahant.
Daniel Ingram?
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Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by No_Mind » Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:03 pm

I personally am inclined to believe the Devas answered his request

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by DNS » Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:41 pm

No_Mind wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:27 pm
Here is what he says "make your concentration strong .. make a wish .. see what happens next" (words changed to avoid google search)
That's an old parlor trick. There were some so-called psychics back in the 1970s and 1980s who used similar tactics. They informed their audiences to go to their attics and find an old watch; to hold it and "wish" for it to start working. Back then, watches were mostly mechanical so the mere picking them up made it start working again.

As long as the "wish" isn't too outrageous (like winning lottery), everyday wishes happen all the time, we just don't notice it very well. For example, a person might wish that someone praises their appearance and then they go to work and a co-worker comments on their nice shoes or suit; everyday events that one doesn't notice much, but since they wished for it they say "ah hah--the wish worked!"

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by santa100 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:52 pm

No_Mind wrote:He then thought to himself: “I am a good monk. If there are any devas (divine beings) out there, can you please ensure I get a Pepsi in the next village.” Ajahn Brahm soon entered the next village and walked past the village store. Then just as he was giving up hope, a lady came running out of the store: “Venerable, would you like a Pepsi!” Then another person came, then another, then another … until he has nine bottles of Pepsi. That’s right: nine bottles of Pepsi, and nothing else!"
While there's nothing particularly wrong or bad with the scenario mentioned, there're always areas for improvement for after all, no matter how brilliant or knowledgeable(see this related post), he's still traveling along the Path like many of us. Instead of thinking in terms of a "Kammic transaction"(ie. I'm a good monk, could I get something I like?), a more skillful line of thought would be: "I am a good monk, if there're devas out there, can you give me the strength to continue to be a good monk even if there's NO drink being offered in the next village"? Another area for improvement is not to opt for a particular brand and taste like Pepsi, Coke, Dr. Pepper, etc. The line of thought should just be any drink that can rehydrate the body and keep it going.
AN 4.159 wrote: Here, sister, reflecting carefully, a bhikkhu consumes food neither for amusement nor for intoxication nor for the sake of physical beauty and attractiveness, but only for the support and maintenance of this body, for avoiding harm, and for assisting the spiritual life, considering: ‘Thus I shall terminate the old feeling and not arouse a new feeling, and I shall be healthy and blameless and dwell at ease.’

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by manas » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:54 pm

Firstly, what is the source for this story? How do we know this actually occurred? Even in it did, I think it just demonstrates the power of the mind, or positive thinking. Doesn't need to be anything supernatural.
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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by Meezer77 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:28 pm

The title of this thread almost sounds like a detective novel, "Sherlock Holmes and the case of the Silver Earing" "Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi " I'm giggling loads at your choice of words No Mind

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by No_Mind » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:45 am

manas wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:54 pm
Firstly, what is the source for this story? How do we know this actually occurred? Even in it did, I think it just demonstrates the power of the mind, or positive thinking. Doesn't need to be anything supernatural.
Manas, positive thinking (I think you mean Law of Attraction) is supernatural is it not.

Since it is a biography of Ajahn Brahm by BSWA (I believe released on his 60th birthday) he must have on the whole approved of the contents. I cannot believe BSWA could go ahead and publish the story of his life without his consent.

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by No_Mind » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:57 am

Meezer77 wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:28 pm
The title of this thread almost sounds like a detective novel, "Sherlock Holmes and the case of the Silver Earing" "Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi " I'm giggling loads at your choice of words No Mind
I am the numero uno fan of Arthur Conan Doyle and shocked. That is name of a video game and it is defilement of sorts. Next is what .. we learn of Epictetus from cartoons?

Here is the entire Sherlock Holmes collection

https://sherlock-holm.es/

I was partly influenced by Billy Bunter books such as "Billy Bunter and the Blue Mauritius" when creating the title of this thread.

If you are born in 1977 you will probably not know of Billy Bunter stories.

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by Crazy cloud » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:04 pm

You are a real "DharmaQueen" with no mind ...

Couldn't help my self ... :tongue:

Very sorry ...

If you didn't care
What happened to me
And I didn't care for you

We would zig-zag our way
Through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain

Wondering which of the
Buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing
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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by No_Mind » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:31 pm

Crazy cloud wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:04 pm
You are a real "DharmaQueen" with no mind ...

Couldn't help my self ... :tongue:

Very sorry ...

Me a queen with no mind :?

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by Crazy cloud » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:53 pm

Can't be, you know "Brexit" and so on, this was just little me being a naughty buddhist on my own ...

Maybe I just happy because we celebrating killing a prophet, and then somebody forgot about rebirth, and since that it's all a blur

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Re: Ajahn Brahm and the strange bottles of Pepsi!

Post by Meezer77 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:48 pm

Phstange bottles of Pepshi

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