Critisism of Sutta Central Site - the Brahm(a) invitation, or "Who Ordered This Truckload of Dung??"

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Critisism of Sutta Central Site - the Brahm(a) invitation, or "Who Ordered This Truckload of Dung??"

Post by Samana Johann 1 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:40 am

As it was not a give into lounge contibution: post cut off from here viewtopic.php?p=463887#p463887

Ciritical, possible defilements provoking, word, not conuctive for gains of what ever kind in the world for one doing such "political incorrectness", not thought to follow such ways, just to reflect and possible gain release of what ever can pull down (may it help those who could make best out of so many sacrifices and alms of the country, and for their own good walk on to highest fruits):
from:"Sutta-DE-central" the never ending stories of foolishness

Mara, Baka, Boowa, Dhammakaya, Brahm, Sujato... the giving of the illusion of sensuality and conceit.

There is a famous story of the "father" of modern Dhammakaya, Bakas assembling.

Once devoted lay people constructed a luxury huge eating-hall. As they invited Ajahn Boowa, he simply said: (sorry for the most dirty words) "I could shit that much, I would shit till this hall is full."
Later he joyfull collected and inspired to Dana, gave this toward to jati (nationality, birth, stand) and it's of no wonder that his disciples didn't had the same idea about this gift as he had.

Mara, for the sake of illusion and death leads people to make sacrifices downward, toward sensual pleasure an conceit.

What "disciples" are you praising if you paise those (sorry) shiting the Buddha, the Sangha, the Theras on the head, disseize the Sangha of it's heritage and encourage to follow that. If one calls giving upward a lose and delights in sacrifices into the world?
What sample is it, if a father cleans the rare part of spoilt children "Come to rejoice in food (death)", either out of fear, greed, aversion or delusion?
What a sample in this world would it be, if the Buddha and the Sangha lead toward the increasing of death by rejoicing in making merits for the sake of becoming, sacrificing their remainder for serving the death, taking form as real?

If one sees what is of cource hard to see, would confess his missdeeds, would seek out the meet an upright Sangha, and would hand over that of what possible to give without giving strings to the world, if there is a possibility to change the sacrifices toward the tripple Gems, then in this case all the sacrifices, pain and death of this undertaking, the parts which had Nibbana as object, would not be lost in this world.

This path, the one to the unbound, is gained by giving (up) at first place, this path is ended by giving (up) of what ever can be misstaken to be yours. It's the path of children with gratitude, the path leaded by rightly liberal giver, Baghava, and not in relations of pig raisers and pigs.

This is why the Buddha and the wise do not (pardon the word) shit on joyfull handicrafts of unskilled childs but of professional gifts to rejoice in form and conceit by those who actually have a higher task and should develop skills beyound the world.

This gift is not at least toward my persons mother, who one day saw my person kneeing before a merely fat and lazy maiden, when he was young, helping her to put on her shoes of conceit: my person never saw her in such way disgusted by any deed my person ever had done.

And it was a "blessing" to understand this manifold looped gift and sacrifice, my persons mother intentional or unintentional gave, to be remind on the way to release in using gifts toward what is headed to/or release and not to try to become the ozean without salty so that there will be no lake of trinking water, by a hardly gained cup of water (remembering the pain it's archivement had required/caused)...

To Vaccha (on Giving)

So how would one approach if monks present the gift of a luxory feeding hall for those delight in sensuality?
You know... somehow "everything", out of the mass of attachments to the world, has grown very per-verse, and it's taken as praiseworthy even under thoses who "should" turn things upright again.

Why does one take on the robe if then to socialwork? And how is not by changing their ways and have fields of merits, could poor and slaves ever work their way out?

More then demanding from lay people and by monks and nuns a person of fundamental wrong view is not to expect. It's not easy to leave ones group, tendency, behind for higher aims as done for such a long, long time... and such can not be gained by give into equal or even lower.
http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,8441.msg14092.html#msg14092 wrote:In what ways are there conventions of individuals? One emancipated in season, one emancipated out of season, one of perturbable natur, one of imperturbable nature, one liable to fall away, one not liable to fall away, one competent in will, one competent in watchfulness, a average man, one become of the family of Ariyas, one restrained through fear, one unrestrained through fear, one capable of arraving, one incapable of arraving, one with determined destiny, one with undetermined destiny, the path-attainer, one established in fruition, one who is an Arahat, one striving for realization of Arahatship.
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Re: Critisism of Sutta Central Site

Post by JamesTheGiant » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:26 am

Venerable, may I ask how long do you meditate per day? How long do you recommend others to meditate?

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Re: Critisism of Sutta Central Site - the Brahm(a) invitation

Post by Samana Johann 1 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:36 am

JamesTheGiant wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:26 am
Venerable, may I ask how long do you meditate per day? How long do you recommend others to meditate?
Nyom James, your questions, in and of them selves have been approached here

As for why it is hard to face to be cheated and how alkaliko this Dhamma is, following will help to gain release if capable:

The Brahm(a)s inventation:

Read carefull and pay close attention of why there might be tears unavoidable and to gain release:
Two kinds of freedom, by Ajahn Brahm: http://sangham.net/index.php/topic,2099.msg9287.html#msg9287 wrote:There are two kinds of freedom to be found in our world: the freedom of desires, and the freedom from desires. Our modern Western culture only recognizes the first of these, freedom of desires. It then worships such a freedom by enshrining it at the forefront of national constitutions and bills of human rights. One can say that the underlying creed of most Western democracies is to protect their people's freedom to realize their desires, as far as this is possible. It is remarkable that in such countries people do not feel very free. The second kind of freedom, freedom from desires, is celebrated only in some religious communities. It celebrates contentment, peace that is free from desires. It is remarkable that in such abstemious communities like my monastery, people feel free.

Who Ordered This Truckload of Dung?? (2005).
Now one might understand the OP, but now read how the Buddhas invitation of Brahma was:

The Ajahn Brahm(a)-Invitation

Maybe you remember the picture where Brahm stood smiling under a google add banner saying: "We do the work for you!"

It's not so that you and some others are not actually gifted here and also Brahma could gain by such things first thought as "ohhh, what an insult".

For it's not easy for you to recognize Mara in his manifold disguise, here and there, not to speak of not falling to Devadattas host.

Mistakenly having taken refuge in Mara, the way to seek real refuge in the Gems is still avaliable in this world, but already hard to see, hard to do, hard to hold on till secure.
It's not clear if the possibility to take on form here is given, so also this post might be made on merely uncomfortable trust. Please don't be shy to make remark as well as to do what ever with the post you might be inspired to. Key is found here. May it be, how ever, understood as Dhamma-Dana toward the Sangha of Buddhas Savakas and those following them and not thought for any kind of trade or exchange for low purpose for the world. Feel also always welcome here.

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