Child Lama. I think it is ridiculous.

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Disciple wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:49 am
alan wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:05 am Tibetan tradition is not really Buddhism. Your opinion?
Edit: My first post had a wrong link. Sorry about that!

https://dharma-documentaries.net/lama-osel-hita
There are probably a few beneficial practices but yeah it's nothing more than a Hindu corruption of Buddhist teachings.
Wow, that was a profound critique.
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Upeksha wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:20 am
Disciple wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:49 am
alan wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:05 am Tibetan tradition is not really Buddhism. Your opinion?
Edit: My first post had a wrong link. Sorry about that!

https://dharma-documentaries.net/lama-osel-hita
There are probably a few beneficial practices but yeah it's nothing more than a Hindu corruption of Buddhist teachings.
Wow, that was a profound critique.
There are much more profound critiques out there regarding Lamaism but thank you.
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Disciple wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:47 pm
Upeksha wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:20 am
Disciple wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:49 am
There are probably a few beneficial practices but yeah it's nothing more than a Hindu corruption of Buddhist teachings.
Wow, that was a profound critique.
There are much more profound critiques out there regarding Lamaism but thank you.
There sure are. As I mentioned in an earlier post, all of them were written in the 19th century when there was virtually no genuine knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism. The very word "Lamaism" is rooted in that period of almost total ignorance. To sit here on a Buddhist forum in the 21st century and perpetrate that level of ignorance is pretty shameful.
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Upeksha wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:05 pm
Disciple wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:47 pm
Upeksha wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:20 am

Wow, that was a profound critique.
There are much more profound critiques out there regarding Lamaism but thank you.
There sure are. As I mentioned in an earlier post, all of them were written in the 19th century when there was virtually no genuine knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism. The very word "Lamaism" is rooted in that period of almost total ignorance. To sit here on a Buddhist forum in the 21st century and perpetrate that level of ignorance is pretty shameful.
I think you might be better off on dharmawheel.
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Disciple wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:08 pm
Upeksha wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:05 pm
Disciple wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:47 pm
There are much more profound critiques out there regarding Lamaism but thank you.
There sure are. As I mentioned in an earlier post, all of them were written in the 19th century when there was virtually no genuine knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism. The very word "Lamaism" is rooted in that period of almost total ignorance. To sit here on a Buddhist forum in the 21st century and perpetrate that level of ignorance is pretty shameful.
I think you might be better off on dharmawheel.
Unfriendly sectarian states: "You too should be an unfriendly sectarian."

No thanks, I love and admire all forms of Buddhism. I have learned from all, and I will continue to learn from all. And when I take refuge in the triple gem, I see nothing that states I ought to choose one team based on the language of its scriptures, whilst disparaging the other team. In fact, I see much that explicitly disavows such attitudes.
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alan wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:05 am Tibetan tradition is not really Buddhism. Your opinion?
Edit: My first post had a wrong link. Sorry about that!

https://dharma-documentaries.net/lama-osel-hita
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The Golden Child - Trailer




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Upeksha wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:05 pm There sure are. As I mentioned in an earlier post, all of them were written in the 19th century when there was virtually no genuine knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism. The very word "Lamaism" is rooted in that period of almost total ignorance. To sit here on a Buddhist forum in the 21st century and perpetrate that level of ignorance is pretty shameful.
Upeksha wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:22 am Unfriendly sectarian states: "You too should be an unfriendly sectarian."

No thanks, I love and admire all forms of Buddhism. I have learned from all, and I will continue to learn from all. And when I take refuge in the triple gem, I see nothing that states I ought to choose one team based on the language of its scriptures, whilst disparaging the other team. In fact, I see much that explicitly disavows such attitudes.
Well said, me too, and I agree on all points

My vote: Vajrayana is Buddhism, as is its Tibetan form. Sure there are some things there that I take issue with, but I find those everywhere, most of all in the mirror.
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

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Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

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Interviewer: "Are you happy being a monk?"
Lama Osel: (pause...) "Better not...answer this question, please. I don't lie."
Interviewer: "Do you think you'll always be a monk?"
Lama Osel: "I hope so."

Whether or not he really is the incarnation of Lama Yeshe, he's honest and likeable.
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Upeksha wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:22 am
Disciple wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:08 pm
Upeksha wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:05 pm

There sure are. As I mentioned in an earlier post, all of them were written in the 19th century when there was virtually no genuine knowledge of Tibetan Buddhism. The very word "Lamaism" is rooted in that period of almost total ignorance. To sit here on a Buddhist forum in the 21st century and perpetrate that level of ignorance is pretty shameful.
I think you might be better off on dharmawheel.
Unfriendly sectarian states: "You too should be an unfriendly sectarian."

No thanks, I love and admire all forms of Buddhism. I have learned from all, and I will continue to learn from all. And when I take refuge in the triple gem, I see nothing that states I ought to choose one team based on the language of its scriptures, whilst disparaging the other team. In fact, I see much that explicitly disavows such attitudes.
I take those comments back actually. Both Mahayana and Vajrayana has produced many great and respectable teachers and I too can probably learn a lot from them. Apologies if I offended anyone.
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grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:39 am
alan wrote: Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:05 am Tibetan tradition is not really Buddhism. Your opinion?
Edit: My first post had a wrong link. Sorry about that!

https://dharma-documentaries.net/lama-osel-hita
Not only has that child in the video grown up, he has also become a top-notch Buddhist teacher.
Indeed he has. In the talk below, he begins with quite simple concepts, then gradually leads the listener into the topic of 'self-cherishing'...an inspiring dhamma talk, afaic.
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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:57 am The Golden Child - Trailer
"The Golden Child" is a fantasy adventure comedy film which was made in the 1980's.

The Golden Child is a 1986 American fantasy comedy film directed by Michael Ritchie and starring Eddie Murphy as Chandler Jarrell, who is informed that he is "The Chosen One" and is destined to save "The Golden Child", the savior of all humankind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Child

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I know it's a movie.

but the story of the movie has everything to do with this topic

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Disciple wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:52 pm
Upeksha wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:22 am
Disciple wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:08 pm
I think you might be better off on dharmawheel.
Unfriendly sectarian states: "You too should be an unfriendly sectarian."

No thanks, I love and admire all forms of Buddhism. I have learned from all, and I will continue to learn from all. And when I take refuge in the triple gem, I see nothing that states I ought to choose one team based on the language of its scriptures, whilst disparaging the other team. In fact, I see much that explicitly disavows such attitudes.
I take those comments back actually. Both Mahayana and Vajrayana has produced many great and respectable teachers and I too can probably learn a lot from them. Apologies if I offended anyone.
You show your true class here, Disciple.

I'm personally not at all offended. Funnily enough, before a long internet hiatus, I used to also post on Dharma Wheel, in which I spent a fair amount of time arguing against pitiful statements equating Theravada with 'Hinayana'.
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With respect to the OP, two things to consider:

1. It's widely acknowledged basically everywhere you look within Tibetan Buddhism that the tulku system has been massively politicized for centuries, and has been deeply corrupted in the name of institutional preservation, property ownership etc. It would be hard to find anyone who seriously denies this. But, it does not follow that because of that problem, Tibetan Buddhism is not Buddhism. That's like saying: because there has been a civil war in Sri Lanka, Sinhalese Buddhism is not Theravada. A straight up inferential error.

2. The fact that part of what Buddhism espouses is rebirth, means that there is nothing doctrinally or metaphysically contradictory about a Spanish boy being the rebirth of a Tibetan lama. The critique of that kind of thing truly emerges itself from something which is not Buddhist: namely, the denial of the possibility of rebirth. So again, the OP suffers from a rather terminal contradiction - the only way it could be affirmed would be to adopt a position which is not Buddhist!

Whether or not he is actually the rebirth - well, that's a separate question. If you have the attainment to see truly, good. I don't. So who am I to say?
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