If you had to kill someone in self-defense or to save others would you?
Thought Experiment - There is a terrorist driving a truck filled with explosives towards children playing on the beach. You have a button that when pressed will kill the man. Will you press it (as last resort after all other options have been exhausted) and stop the man?
Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
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"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
idk hope not
most likely would easily not press unless i knew the people who were going to die
try asking if people would kill their mother to save rest of humanity and mother begged to do it and it would be instant & painless
most likely would easily not press unless i knew the people who were going to die
try asking if people would kill their mother to save rest of humanity and mother begged to do it and it would be instant & painless
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Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
Then you are okay with death of children .. even though you had means to stop it?
It is not a challenge of your view .. I am just trying to get you to be candid and categorical about your action/inaction as case may be.
If my mother was threatening humanity I would surely kill her to stop her from harming innocents. No questions asked.
"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
I can't control death or what other people do.
I do not intentionally kill or advice others to kill. That is my position.
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Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
But you avoided my question. Are you okay with death of children even though you had means to stop it? Be candid and categorical .. I am not looking to challenge you .. just need clear answers on this one
No greys please .. answer in binary mode
"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
I do not mean to avoid your question.
You are not being fair demanding a categorical answer to this without explaining what you mean by "being OK".
I would say i am OK with it in sense that i will rather choose to wake up tomorrow knowing that i did not do it and it would not torment me
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Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
Being Okay --> Would - not stopping the terrorist by pressing the button that kills him - be in accordance/line with your moral compass?
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"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
absolutely not, stopping him is against my moral compass and i hope i would have enough Sati to follow my strategy and not be overcome by emotions.
If you kill that makes you a murderer, if you do not kill what is the blame here? Not being a killer? how is that a bad thing...
So terrorist is bad because he kills on account of views and you are justified in killing him on account of yours, let's see what your positions is in regards to killing family members.
id like to ask you this;
Would you **** mother or father to save rest of humanity and mother or father begged to do it and it would be instant & painless?
Answer and i will make a statement.Would you **** terminally ill parent to save another?
Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
This seems to be a fantasy-based question because this situation has never occurred in my life & because I do not have any weapons to use.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
Does **** stand for kill? If so I have already answered it.User1249x wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:21 am If you kill that makes you a murderer, if you do not kill what is the blame here? Not being a killer? how is that a bad thing...
So terrorist is bad because he kills on account of views and you are justified in killing him on account of yours, let's see what your positions is in regards to killing family members.
id like to ask you this;Would you **** mother or father to save rest of humanity and mother or father begged to do it and it would be instant & painless?Answer and i will make a statement.Would you **** terminally ill parent to save another?
Instant and painless / terminally ill patient - are outside the purview of this thought experiment.
"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”― Albert Camus
Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
Right i missed it. Tbh idk what to say even but i want to question you more.
So your mother's intent is to kill all humans excl you.
What if you are innocent and everybody but your mother is trying to kill them all with a single push of a button to save you?
Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
I swatted at some bees that were after my daughter I don’t think I was trying to kill them, but I was pretty intent on protecting my daughter. It happened very quickly. If they persisted I think I would do what it took to protect her. I imagine I would respond the same way if a human attacked her.
Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
this is ānantarika kamma, you would go to hell
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Born, become, arisen – made, prepared, short-lived
Bonded by decay and death – a nest for sickness, perishable
Produced by seeking nutriment – not fit to take delight in
Departure from this is peaceful – beyond reasoning and enduring
Unborn, unarisen – free from sorrow and stain
Ceasing of all factors of suffering – stilling of all preparations is bliss
Bonded by decay and death – a nest for sickness, perishable
Produced by seeking nutriment – not fit to take delight in
Departure from this is peaceful – beyond reasoning and enduring
Unborn, unarisen – free from sorrow and stain
Ceasing of all factors of suffering – stilling of all preparations is bliss
Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
If it had to do with saving family then absolutely yes. I'll take the bad karma for it.
Re: Poll - If you had to kill in self-defense would you?
Why do you say it is 'bad kamma'?
There is the case where a certain person takes life...bloody-handed, devoted to killing & slaying, showing no mercy to living beings.
AN 10.176
Intention, I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of body, speech & intellect.
AN 6.63
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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