has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Casual discussion amongst spiritual friends.
User avatar
Kim OHara
Posts: 4999
Joined: Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:47 am
Location: North Queensland, Australia

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by Kim OHara » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:46 am

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/cris-row ... 99218.html could also be relevant for some of us.
The American Academy of Pediatrics and the Canadian Society of Pediatrics state infants aged 0-2 years should not have any exposure to technology, 3-5 years be restricted to one hour per day, and 6-18 years restricted to 2 hours per day (AAP 2001/13, CPS 2010). Children and youth use 4-5 times the recommended amount of technology, with serious and often life threatening consequences (Kaiser Foundation 2010, Active Healthy Kids Canada 2012). Handheld devices (cell phones, tablets, electronic games) have dramatically increased the accessibility and usage of technology, especially by very young children (Common Sense Media, 2013). As a pediatric occupational therapist, I’m calling on parents, teachers and governments to ban the use of all handheld devices for children under the age of 12 years. Following are 10 research-based reasons for this ban. Please visit zonein.ca to view the Zone’in Fact Sheet for referenced research. ...
:reading:
Kim

User avatar
Pseudobabble
Posts: 705
Joined: Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:11 am
Location: London

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by Pseudobabble » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:03 am

Justsit wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:45 pm
binocular wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:15 pm
Pseudobabble wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:19 am

I think you pretty much nailed it.
If too much information and no knowledge are what can unravel the social fabric, then the social fabric is awfully weak to begin with.
The complete paragraph was not included in the poster's quote.

"The social fabric seems to be unraveling under the onslaught of too much information and no knowledge, and even less wisdom; too much input with no time to analyze and assess, then act based on those processes. Info in, process and act RIGHT NOW, on to the next thing, as if humans are computers. No wonder we're stressed and kids are confused and anxious."

The social fabric in the US began unraveling earlier, back in the 60's and 70's. The computer age has merely sped up the process. So yes, the US social fabric has been weakened. I don't claim to speak for other countries.
You're completely right, in my opinion. the current rate of change over time is much too fast for creatures whose 'proper' environment is the African veldt of 30,000 years ago, and the rate is increasing.

This speed of change is making people too anxious, and I believe it is the underlying cause of many of the 'new' problems we have today.

binocular wrote:If too much information and no knowledge are what can unravel the social fabric, then the social fabric is awfully weak to begin with.
The social fabric is very strong, under 'normal' conditions. It can absorb wars, migrations, natural disasters, etc. But if constantly, continually subjected to pressure, it will weaken, lose its ability to absorb variance, and break, like rubber left in the sun.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19

'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha

User avatar
cjmacie
Posts: 688
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:49 am

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by cjmacie » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:01 am

binocular wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:15 pm
Pseudobabble wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:19 am
Justsit wrote:
Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:50 pm
IMO, that SOMETHING may be related to a drastic increase in the rate of change over time.

...

The social fabric seems to be unraveling under the onslaught of too much information and no knowlege
I think you pretty much nailed it.
If too much information and no knowlege are what can unravel the social fabric, then the social fabric is awfully weak to begin with.
Suggesting "understanding" as a word to consider here. "Information" (or "data" maybe) is rather close to "knowledge".

(Using a schema learned long ago, that a good approximation of the mental stages runs: knowledge --> understanding --> wisdom.)
Last edited by cjmacie on Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:35 am, edited 1 time in total.

Upeksha
Posts: 119
Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:23 am

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by Upeksha » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:16 am

I read that when it was published ~ The Atlantic quite likes a bit of tech bashing.

And so do I!

I don't think it's just a generation. I think it's across the generations.

binocular
Posts: 5636
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by binocular » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:52 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:03 am
The social fabric is very strong, under 'normal' conditions. It can absorb wars, migrations, natural disasters, etc. But if constantly, continually subjected to pressure, it will weaken, lose its ability to absorb variance, and break, like rubber left in the sun.
But what are "normal" conditions? Those from before 100 years ago? Those from 1,000, 10,000 years ago?

In scientific literature, the argument is sometimes made that the human brain is at the evolutionary stage it was in back in the days of hunting and gathering an that this is at least part of the reason why people have difficulty to keep up with technology and why technology seems to have such a damaging effect. That might be the case, but it cannot be the only reason. One major difference between then and now is not often mentioned: back then, life expectancy was much lower and infant death rates much higher. In other words, relatively fewer people survived, and the relatively few that made it into adulthood were probably better equipped for life. Arguably, it's in some crucial way the same nowadays, except that those less fit are still alive, while back then they would have died. As it has always seemed to be, there is a percentage of those fit for life, and perhaps this percentage remains constant. What seems to weaken the social fabric is that there are more people alive than is evolutionarily optimal.
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

binocular
Posts: 5636
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by binocular » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:55 am

cjmacie wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:01 am
Suggesting "understanding" as a word to consider here. "Information" (or "data" maybe) is rather close to "knowledge".

(Using a schema learned long ago, that a good approximation of the mental stages runs: knowledge --> understanding --> wisdom.)
Bloom's taxonomy might be helpful to distinguish the terms.

Image

Image
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

chownah
Posts: 7491
Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:19 pm

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by chownah » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:08 pm

Well, the jitterbug destroyed one generation and rock and roll destroyed one generation and grunge destroyed one generation......I guess its ok for the smartphone to destroy one too but it is difficult to dance to a smart phone.....
chownah

binocular
Posts: 5636
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by binocular » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:44 pm

chownah wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:08 pm
destroyed one generation
But how exactly is anything "destroying" a generation? As long as one generation produces another, it, clearly, is not a destroyed generation.
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

User avatar
Mkoll
Posts: 6438
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:55 pm
Location: California

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by Mkoll » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:53 am

Thanks for sharing this article.
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

Circle5
Posts: 894
Joined: Wed May 31, 2017 2:14 am

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by Circle5 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:30 pm

In USA, there is also the problem of living in suburbia instead of normal cities like in Europe. This means severe isolation for everybody in general but especially for kids. There are 2 problems suburbia causes to kids:

- no friends nearby, or not enough of them. Living in a neighbourghood made out of houses is different than a neighbourhood made out of 5 to 11 story buildings. There are no big groups of kids hanging around every flatblock if you live in suburbia. There are few opportunities to have a social live outside of school.

- besides the lack of people, there are no places to hang out. There is no public space, no flatblock squeres, no football field 100 meters away from your home, etc. There is simply no place to hang out for kids.


The rise of smartphones and social media surely has a big influence. Kids stay on these things non stop in my place too, but they continue to spend the biggest amount of time outside, with the big herd of kids that exists in every flatblock squere. For a kid living in complete isolation due to suburbia, there is just nothing else to do for them except for phones.

This negatie effect suburbia has on kids has been discussed for decades and is nothing knew. It's just that now you have smartphones and of course these isolated kids are gona stay on them.

Virgo
Posts: 1424
Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:52 pm

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by Virgo » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:28 pm

We're living in a mobile world.

Kevin

Justsit
Posts: 645
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:41 pm

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by Justsit » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:39 pm

Virgo wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:28 pm
We're living in a mobile world.
A lot of young people seem to be living primarily in a virtual world. They may have lots of "friends" online, but often have few in "Real Life."

How many of those "friends" will bring them soup when they're ill, or give them a ride when needed, or give them a hug when they're sad, or someday come to their wedding?

And even with the physical isolation of suburbia mentioned above - it's interesting to watch a table full of young people at a club or restaurant - they're all staring at a screen. Even when in the same room, there's no personal interaction, no dancing, just staring at the pretty moving colors. No wonder so many have ADHD and social anxiety.

Technology should be a means, not an end. IMO, of course.

Virgo
Posts: 1424
Joined: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:52 pm

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by Virgo » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:12 pm

Justsit wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:39 pm
Virgo wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:28 pm
We're living in a mobile world.
A lot of young people seem to be living primarily in a virtual world. They may have lots of "friends" online, but often have few in "Real Life."

How many of those "friends" will bring them soup when they're ill, or give them a ride when needed, or give them a hug when they're sad, or someday come to their wedding?

And even with the physical isolation of suburbia mentioned above - it's interesting to watch a table full of young people at a club or restaurant - they're all staring at a screen. Even when in the same room, there's no personal interaction, no dancing, just staring at the pretty moving colors. No wonder so many have ADHD and social anxiety.

Technology should be a means, not an end. IMO, of course.
That's their prerogative. Just as long as they don't starting offing themselves more often, which the study seems to show they are, unfortunately. Nothing is going to change the mobile world. A few decades from now we will be part android. Times change. You have to adapt and overcome in this world. You have have kids invite them to have their friends over, and have them go outside and play, other than that, I don't think there is much we can do.

Kevin

binocular
Posts: 5636
Joined: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 pm

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by binocular » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:19 pm

Virgo wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:12 pm
That's their prerogative. Just as long as they don't starting offing themselves more often, which the study seems to show they are, unfortunately.
Evolutionary natural selection ...
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

alan
Posts: 3087
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:14 am
Location: Miramar beach, Fl.

Re: has the smartphone destroyed a generation

Post by alan » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:23 am

Smart phones make people stupid.

Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 48 guests