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direct knowledge vs logical problem-solving

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:21 am

yathābhūtañāṇadassana?
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Re: direct knowledge vs logical problem-solving

Post by DooDoot » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:17 am

logical problem-solving = yoniso manasikara = wise attention or wise reflection

yathābhūtañāṇadassana = direct knowledge

Both seem to be very important but the 1st is possibly the most important because the suttas say starting the noble path depends on it.
SN 45.55

Dawn, bhikshus, is the forerunner, the harbinger of sun-rise. Even so, bhikshus, for a monk this is the forerunner, the harbinger of the arising of the noble eightfold path, that is, accomplishment in wise attention. Bhikshus, when a monk is accomplished in this wise attention, it is to be expected that he will cultivate the noble eightfold path, develop the noble eightfold path.
AN 10.61

Thus associating with good persons, becoming full, fills up hearing the good Dhamma. Hearing the good Dhamma, becoming full, fills up faith. Faith, becoming full, fills up careful attention. Careful attention, becoming full, fills up mindfulness and clear comprehension. Mindfulness and clear comprehension, becoming full, fill up restraint of the sense faculties. Restraint of the sense faculties, becoming full, fills up the three kinds of good conduct. The three kinds of good conduct, becoming full, fill up the four establishments of mindfulness. The four establishments of mindfulness, becoming full, fill up the seven factors of enlightenment. The seven factors of enlightenment, becoming full, fill up true knowledge and liberation. Thus there is nutriment for true knowledge and liberation, and in this way they become full.

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Re: direct knowledge vs logical problem-solving

Post by binocular » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:43 am

Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:21 am
yathābhūtañāṇadassana?
Do you think that someone with direct knowledge would know the value of x without using the usual mathematical calculation?

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Re: direct knowledge vs logical problem-solving

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:28 am

yes
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
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Re: direct knowledge vs logical problem-solving

Post by binocular » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:30 pm

I wish more people would respond here!

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Re: direct knowledge vs logical problem-solving

Post by auto » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:29 am

binocular wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:43 am
Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:21 am
yathābhūtañāṇadassana?
Do you think that someone with direct knowledge would know the value of x without using the usual mathematical calculation?
Basically you think direct knowledge is knowing the answer without using any formula? I think its not what the direct knowledge means.

You have to use formula, otherwise you don't see the answer. The formula is your eye what sees directly.

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