Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

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Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by alan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:36 am

Friends, I hate bad things.
If you do not, please explain here.
Because I am an aware person, who hates bad things. some things need to be hated. Otherwise, people will continue to be stupid, and ignorant.
Right?
Oh, please don't just give me this nonsense about how we should all be non-hateful. What we need to be is smarter in our judgments.

If anyone can show an example in the Suttas where Buddha tells us to be stupid in our judgements, to not be aware, and to not hate things that need to be hated, show it now.

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:39 am

Greetings Alan,

alan wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:36 am
Friends, I hate bad things.
If you do not, please explain here.
I don't hate bad things. What exactly do you wish to know?

alan wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:36 am
If anyone can show an example in the Suttas where Buddha tells us to be stupid in our judgements, to not be aware, and to not hate things that need to be hated, show it now.
There are many, many instances in the suttas where the Buddha praises wisdom, and non-hatred. I don't recall him once advocating for hatred of any variety. To that end, I'd suggest the onus here is probably on you to find even a single sutta where the Blessed One promoted hatred of anything, let alone one where he says "hate things that need to be hated".

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by alan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:48 am

It is good to not hate things that need to be hated?

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:48 am

Greetings Alan,
alan wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:48 am
It is good to not hate things that need to be hated?
Nothing needs to be hated.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by alan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:50 am

Trump need to be hated. Just as why anyone who would create a world as perverse as he would have it needs to be fought.

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:52 am

Greetings Alan,
alan wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:50 am
Trump need to be hated.
No. Trump is better met with metta, karuna, mudita and upekkha.

Same applies to any other sentient beings.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by DooDoot » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:06 am

alan wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:36 am
Oh, please don't just give me this nonsense about how we should all be non-hateful. What we need to be is smarter in our judgments.
Maybe you can consider starting with "disagreement" towards Trump rather than "hatred". Regards

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by alan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:28 am

Why? If you do not hate him, you are God Dam Idiot.

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:30 am

Greetings Alan,
alan wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:28 am
Why? If you do not hate him, you are God Dam Idiot.
What you just said here is the inverse of the Blessed One's Dhamma.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by alan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:46 am

Maybe not. I don't see why.

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by alan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:48 am

My good friend Retro, why it is the inverse of the Dhamma to hate someone who preaches hate?

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by alan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:56 am

And, if you love someone who preaches hate, and has no respect for facts, are you, or are you not, a God Dam Idiot?
Answer: You are a God Dam Idiot. Because only God Dam Idiots are stupid enough to believe this total Bullsh*t.

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by alan » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:07 am

On Alan's show, we will tell the truth. And not be complete, lying jerks who work for the propaganda. God Dam Trump Propaganda. Pissses me the hell off.
It will be on MSNBC, the only network that is not completely full of sh*t.

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by Garrib » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:17 am

Hatred is always bad, yes. It is an unwholesome mental quality, it leads to unskillful actions, and continuous suffering.

It is not bad to distinguish right from wrong, and to side with what is right, but it is bad to hate.

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Re: Is hatred always bad, if you hate what should be hated?

Post by Nicolas » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:34 am

alan wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:36 am
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Alan, have you read the suttas? Disagreement is fine, as is siding with the good, and taking action, but hate is clearly negative for you, do you not see how it leads you away from peace and towards agitation? Do you try to understand the Buddha’s words?

See the quotes from the suttas I referenced in the other thread: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30770#p448392
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