A thought on advice about quitting addictions and bad habits

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dharmacorps
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Re: A thought on advice about quitting addictions and bad habits

Post by dharmacorps » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:48 pm

binocular wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:36 pm

I was once in a SMART recovery group. I had some doubts and questions about their approach; I think they glossed over and took for granted precisely those things that I think would need to be addressed in detail. Their approach didn't seem like it could help me at all. I expressed my concerns. The leader of the group told me that I am not allowed to ask questions about their methodology, and that if I will continue to do so, I will have to leave.
So, frankly, they struck me as yet another clique, not as a group actually intent on helping people.
Because they didn't work for you, they aren't intent on helping people? Those are 2 different things entirely...

Seems to be a recurring theme in your posts. Sounds like a lot of things don't work for you because of your doubts and questions, and you find yourself disappointed and sad about it (MBSR, many points on dhamma, ordained people). Sorry to hear that. I hope you find some things that do work for you.
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Re: A thought on advice about quitting addictions and bad habits

Post by chownah » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:38 am

Some people think that addicts are just normal people who have come under the spell of an addictive substance. I think that this is wrong and that thinking this will not lead to helpful advise for most addicts. Every year there are millions of people who take very addictive drugs in their treatment of disease and physical injury and yet it is a tiny minority of those people who have issues with addiction. Every study that I have read points to the fact that there is something going on (or not going on) in a minority of individuals which is the basis of the emergence of their addiction.

If society was compassionate it would view addiction as a sign that someone needs help with their life view and that the addiction is not the problem but only a sign of the problem.
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Re: A thought on advice about quitting addictions and bad habits

Post by bodom » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:57 am

chownah wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:38 am
Some people think that addicts are just normal people who have come under the spell of an addictive substance. I think that this is wrong and that thinking this will not lead to helpful advise for most addicts. Every year there are millions of people who take very addictive drugs in their treatment of disease and physical injury and yet it is a tiny minority of those people who have issues with addiction. Every study that I have read points to the fact that there is something going on (or not going on) in a minority of individuals which is the basis of the emergence of their addiction.

If society was compassionate it would view addiction as a sign that someone needs help with their life view and that the addiction is not the problem but only a sign of the problem.
chownah
Absolutely. Drinking and drugging are but a symptom of much deeper underlying problem. Most notably low dopamine and serotonin levels. Majority of addicts, myself included in the past, self medicate to alleviate depression. There is also the genetic factor.

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
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