Buddhism and alcohol

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by bodom » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:23 am

oncereturner wrote:I missed the appointment at rehab, because I got drunk again. Next meeting will be in 3-4 weeks. Detox was a good advice, but in my panic I detoxed myself at home. It was a heedless idea, because I had tremor and almost a seizure. Next time I will call the ambulance, i hope it will not happen.
Doctor said that I have to do it on my own, they can't help if I can't help myself to reach one week of sobriety. It's my first day, maybe the hardest, I must do this.
(Sorry for the typo)

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They are called delirium tremens, a classic sign of an alcoholic. This means that your body is physically addicted. You can die from this. Please continue to try to find medical intervention and do nor attempt to try it at home. You will need to be supervised and prescribed anti-convulsion meds.

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To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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With no struggling, no thinking,
the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
to allay all stress.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by bodom » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:33 am

oncereturner wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:13 am
bodom wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:26 pm

Yes you absolutely will need medical intervention in order to stop drinking if it has gotten to this point. Have you spoken with any detox facilities yet?

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As doctors can't help me, I have another plan. I will give my credit card to mother, and tell her, no to ever give me back. I can't buy beer without money. If this doesn't work, I give it to a real trusted friend who knows my situation. Or just destroy the card.

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This may be a short term solution but in the long run only you can can overcome this affliction. In the beginning get as much help as you can from anyone and everyone who understands your situation especially ex drinkers in AA. You will be surprised by the generosity that you will be shown. I know I was.

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With no struggling, no thinking,
the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
to allay all stress.

- Upasika Kee Nanayan

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:42 am

I destroyed the credit card, it was the only way to stop. This is alcoholism...

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"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech."

— SN 45.8

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:44 am

bodom wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:33 am
oncereturner wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:13 am
bodom wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:26 pm

Yes you absolutely will need medical intervention in order to stop drinking if it has gotten to this point. Have you spoken with any detox facilities yet?

:namaste:
As doctors can't help me, I have another plan. I will give my credit card to mother, and tell her, no to ever give me back. I can't buy beer without money. If this doesn't work, I give it to a real trusted friend who knows my situation. Or just destroy the card.

:anjali:
This may be a short term solution but in the long run only you can can overcome this affliction. In the beginning get as much help as you can from anyone and everyone who understands your situation especially ex drinkers in AA. You will be surprised by the generosity that you will be shown. I know I was.

:namaste:
I destroyed the credit card, it was the only radical way to stop in short term. This is alcoholism...
"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech."

— SN 45.8

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by binocular » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:58 am

oncereturner wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:13 am
I will give my credit card to mother, and tell her, no to ever give me back.
Would it be possible for you to explain your situation to your mother, and ask her to help you as much as she can?
Especially, if she could cook wholesome meals for you, preferrably every day.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:35 pm

binocular wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:58 am
oncereturner wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:13 am
I will give my credit card to mother, and tell her, no to ever give me back.
Would it be possible for you to explain your situation to your mother, and ask her to help you as much as she can?
Especially, if she could cook wholesome meals for you, preferrably every day.
Fortunately I have no card, as I destroyed it, but I can still make the necessary transactions, paying the bills. Mother will cook for me.

I'm a bit scared of total abstinence, the only solution.
"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech."

— SN 45.8

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by auto » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:04 pm



point is on the other half of the video.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by dharmacorps » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:48 pm

oncereturner wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:42 am
I destroyed the credit card, it was the only way to stop. This is alcoholism...

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Destroying the card also will not stop your drinking. You need help. Outside. Yourself.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Sat Apr 14, 2018 3:20 pm

dharmacorps wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:48 pm
oncereturner wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:42 am
I destroyed the credit card, it was the only way to stop. This is alcoholism...

:namaste:
Destroying the card also will not stop your drinking. You need help. Outside. Yourself.
I was only the first step, breaking out of the vicious circle. Doctor prescribed a strong benzo, called clonazepam, against the craving & other symptoms. It has side effects, like nightmares, but it's effective.

I reached 48 hours of sobriety. I'm better, however my ears are still ringing loudly. I'm not sure what is the cause of this discomfort.
"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech."

— SN 45.8

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by Garrib » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:54 pm

good job - keep it up!!

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:49 pm

Dhajagga Sutta: The Top of the Standard

On one occasion the Blessed One was staying at Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. There he addressed the monks, "Monks!"

"Yes, lord," the monks responded to him.

The Blessed One said, "Monks, once the devas & asuras were arrayed for battle. Then Sakka, the chief of the devas, addressed the devas of the Thirty-three: 'If, dear sirs, when the devas have gone into battle, there should arise fear, terror, or horripilation, then on that occasion you should catch sight of the top of my standard. For when you have caught sight of the top of my standard, whatever fear, terror, or horripilation there is will be abandoned.

"'If you can't catch sight of the top of my standard, then you should catch sight of the top of the deva-king Pajapati's standard. For when you have caught sight of the top of the deva-king Pajapati's standard, whatever fear, terror, or horripilation there is will be abandoned.

"'If you can't catch sight of the top of the deva-king Pajapati's standard, then you should catch sight of the top of the deva-king Varuna's standard. For when For when you have caught sight of the top of the deva-king Varuna's standard, whatever fear, terror, or horripilation there is will be abandoned.

"'If you can't catch sight of the top of the deva-king Varuna's standard, then you should catch sight of the top of the deva-king Isana's standard. For when you have caught sight of the top of the deva-king Isana's standard, whatever fear, terror, or horripilation there is will be abandoned.'

"But, monks, when the top of the deva-chief Sakka's standard is caught sight of, or when the top of the deva-king Pajapati's standard is caught sight of, or when the top of the deva-king Varuna's standard is caught sight of, or when the top of the deva-king Isana's standard is caught sight of, whatever fear, terror, or horripilation there is may be abandoned or may not be abandoned. Why is that? Because Sakka the chief of the devas is not devoid of passion, not devoid of aversion, not devoid of delusion. He feels fear, feels terror, feels dread. He runs away.

"But I tell you this: If — when you have gone into the wilderness, to the shade of a tree, or to an empty building — there should arise fear, terror, or horripilation, then on that occasion you should recollect me: 'Indeed, the Blessed One is worthy & rightly self-awakened, consummate in knowledge & conduct, well-gone, an expert with regard to the world, unexcelled as a trainer for those people fit to be tamed, the Teacher of divine & human beings, awakened, blessed.' For when you have recollected me, whatever fear, terror, or horripilation there is will be abandoned.

"If you can't recollect me, then you should recollect the Dhamma: 'The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One, to be seen here & now, timeless, inviting verification, pertinent, to be realized by the wise for themselves.' For when you have recollected the Dhamma, whatever fear, terror, or horripilation there is will be abandoned.

"If you can't recollect the Dhamma, then you should recollect the Sangha: 'The Sangha of the Blessed One's disciples who have practiced well... who have practiced straight-forwardly... who have practiced methodically... who have practiced masterfully — in other words, the four types of noble disciples when taken as pairs, the eight when taken as individual types [1] — they are the Sangha of the Blessed One's disciples: worthy of gifts, worthy of hospitality, worthy of offerings, worthy of respect, the unexcelled field of merit for the world.' For when you have recollected the Sangha, whatever fear, terror, or horripilation where is will be abandoned. Why is that? Because the Tathagata — worthy & rightly self-awakened — is devoid of passion, devoid of aversion, devoid of delusion. He feels no fear, feels no terror, feels no dread. He doesn't run away."

That is what the Blessed One said. Having said that, the One-well-gone, the Teacher, further said this:

In the wilderness,
in the shade of a tree,
in an empty building, monks,
recollect the Buddha.
Your fear won't exist.

If you can't recall the Buddha
— best in the world,
the bull of men —
then you should recall the Dhamma:
leading outward, well-taught.

If you can't recall the Dhamma
— leading outward,
well-taught —
then you should recall the Sangha:
the field of merit unexcelled.

When thus recalling
the Buddha, Dhamma, & Sangha, monks,
there'll be no horripilation,
terror,
or fear.
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Complete Manual of Insight by Mahasi Sayadaw
Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
Ledi Sayadaw's Anapana Dipani (Samatha) @ ffmt.fr/articles/maitres/LediS/anapana-dipani.ledi-sayadaw.pdf
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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:38 pm

No success, it's too much stress. I almost broke my leg on the streets going to work, nearly crying from pain.

Doctor was right, he said that stress of this job is beyond my tolerance level. This cannot be levelled out with medicines. Interesting though, I only crave when I do this job. It's not for a recovering alcoholic, it's not for me.

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I call this job a meat grinder, I always forget about dhamma and Buddha.
"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech."

— SN 45.8

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by binocular » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:31 am

oncereturner wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:38 pm
Doctor was right, he said that stress of this job is beyond my tolerance level. This cannot be levelled out with medicines. Interesting though, I only crave when I do this job. It's not for a recovering alcoholic, it's not for me.

Edit

I call this job a meat grinder, I always forget about dhamma and Buddha.
In that case, the solution seems simple enough: focus on finding a new job right now. Perhaps that way, you can solve two problems at once: find a livelihood that is closer to Right Livelihood, and quit alcohol.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:18 pm

binocular wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:31 am
oncereturner wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:38 pm
Doctor was right, he said that stress of this job is beyond my tolerance level. This cannot be levelled out with medicines. Interesting though, I only crave when I do this job. It's not for a recovering alcoholic, it's not for me.

Edit

I call this job a meat grinder, I always forget about dhamma and Buddha.
lre
In that case, the solution seems simple enough: focus on finding a new job right now. Perhaps that way, you can solve two problems at once: find a livelihood that is closer to Right Livelihood, and quit alcohol.
Agreed, it's simple. They ordered an overtime for Saturday, and next week. Impossible deadlines, if I do the deadline, I will be "rewarded" even more work, it's neverending. They don't care about our health. I'm alredy dead tired. I'm forced to lying to everyone, tricking, to do the deadline.

Only solution is to leave this job immediately, even if I don't have another, and get treatment.
"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech."

— SN 45.8

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by rightviewftw » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:24 pm

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How to Meditate: Satipatthana Mahasi
Медитация Сатипаттхана Випассана
How To Develop Factors of Enlightenment & Perceptions
Complete Manual of Insight by Mahasi Sayadaw
Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
Ledi Sayadaw's Anapana Dipani (Samatha) @ ffmt.fr/articles/maitres/LediS/anapana-dipani.ledi-sayadaw.pdf
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