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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by L.N. » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:44 pm

Sovatthika wrote:
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These are great, thank you! They still may support a "smh" view which some could interpret as justification to discriminate against the disabled, as none of these suttas suggests that disability is not due to some kamma.
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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by DNS » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:30 pm

L.N. wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:44 pm
Sovatthika wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:27 am
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These are great, thank you! They still may support a "smh" view which some could interpret as justification to discriminate against the disabled, as none of these suttas suggests that disability is not due to some kamma.
Correct, even though the leper became a sotapanna, the Buddha still explains the evil deeds he did in a past life to be a leper in that life.

And then there are the Vinaya rules against ordaining certain people which has a very long list of politically incorrect categories, including various handicaps (apparently for not burdening the sangha and lay people).

Apparently all religions have a history of discriminating against the handicapped and this is unfortunate. In defense of Buddhism (apologetics? possibly) there are some sutta references about not speculating on another's kamma-vipāka.

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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by perkele » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:03 pm

DNS wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:30 pm
In defense of Buddhism (apologetics? possibly) there are some sutta references about not speculating on another's kamma-vipāka.
Are there? (Apart from this quite general one?) None (which would be more specific) come to mind here. If you can provide a reference, that would be great.
I always saw this to be more or less implicit in the teachings, that smugly looking down upon or even joy at another's (kamically hand-crafted) misfortune is a very unskillful attitude which will reap its own rewards.

This sutta comes to mind: Duggata Sutta - Fallen on Hard Times (and contrasted by this: Sukhita Sutta - Happy)

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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by DNS » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:13 pm

Yes, those are the ones I was thinking of.

And then there is also the practice of karuna (compassion).

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Post by perkele » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:52 pm

DNS wrote:
Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:13 pm
And then there is also the practice of karuna (compassion).
Right, this is central to the Buddha's teachings, and there is nothing in them which would condone mistreating someone for their misfortune, whether or not this misfortune is caused by previous kamma.

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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:56 am

conversely, sympathy to the extreme
a self-respecting disabled person really doesn't want to be treated like a victim.
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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:05 am

even if/when there is kammic retribution in the form of a disability it is only form and as such it is impermanent
it is not self
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Post by Garrib » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:56 am

:thumbsup:

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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:32 am

smh @ 'skillfully' breaking precepts
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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by chownah » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:30 am

What is the sentiment in play when someone uses the term 'shake my head'?
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edit: I just went on line and at the urban dictionary website it gave this:
Shaking my head: something you do when a person or thing is so utterly rediculous that you just nod in disbelief
Is this how it is commonly used?....isn't it usually #smh?
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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by binocular » Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:46 pm

chownah wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:30 am
What is the sentiment in play when someone uses the term 'shake my head'?
Indeed. To me, it doesn't seem like a Dhammic sentiment.

Couldn't find a smh meme, but found similar ones:

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Doesn't look Dhammic to me.

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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:29 am

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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by DNS » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:21 pm

Ikeda is a Mahayana - SGI Buddhist teacher and author. I wouldn't expect him to have a Classical Theravada or even a Modern Theravada view of nibbana and enlightenment. His view is probably the mainstream view of his religion - sect.

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Re: list wrong views that you might say 'smh' to

Post by Caodemarte » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:04 pm

DNS wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:21 pm
Ikeda is a Mahayana - SGI Buddhist teacher and author. I wouldn't expect him to have a Classical Theravada or even a Modern Theravada view of nibbana and enlightenment. His view is probably the mainstream view of his religion - sect.
Yes, as Ikeda is a Mahayana Buddhist I doubt you will see much explicitly Theravada influence there.

Ikeda is the founding President of SGI, the largest of Japan’s “New Religions” and I beleive his views pretty well define the mainstream views of the sect, an outgrowth of Nichiren Buddhism.

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