Non-english northerners (germans, austrians, etc.) look similar to english in politeness only that they don't have a Kim Jhong Un inside witch makes it impossible to debate with them. Nobody ever complained about them. I have serious doubts thai or japanese could be like english on the inside. Proof of this is that the anti-debate, safe-space culture only developed in the english world and to a very very small degree in germany. In US/UK it completely took over all universities. That thing didn't develop out of nothing. It developed out of centuries of puritanism. It is the most anti-debate culture in the world.mikenz66 wrote:You obviously haven't spent much time with Thai or Japanese people. The English are a rude lot compared to them...
True, I'm not saying everybody else except the english are perfect. All have their flaws. But what do you think about this good quality that english completely lack:This thread reminds me of the argumentation in this sutta:
This is why people changed their views so easily in the suttas after been refuted. In non-english cultures, if one has a debate and the other one is right they will think "oh, this guy was right about that. Good that I found out something new" and will be happy with the new thing they found out. There is even a saying "good that I found out so that I don't die stupid" or if somebody says you are wrong about something: "well let us know so that we don't die stupid". But when there is a Kim Jhong Un inside things are seen as "oh this guy thinks he's smarter than me. He can not be right cause that means he is smarter than me or something" or "if this guy is right and I am wrong it means I am stupid, that I am worthless as a buddhist etc" and it becomes impossible to change ones views because that is like saying "I am stupid" and debates are taken very personally. The person self esteem depends on the debate. And this is why the english even developed the relativistic view about everybody been right, developed even thuffer speech laws and even safe spaces. This thing did not come from nothing and is only present in the english world. That is how culture develops when everybody has a Kim Jhon Un inside. Another interesting thing is identify politics witch does not exist outside the english world, at least not in that form. This has to do with been an individualistic culture + centuries of puritanism:In ancient India, Greece and Tibet, the art of argumentation was an extremely important (and prestigious) activity. To win a formal debate was to demonstrate the truth of one’s school of thought or spiritual faith. The Buddha was a potent and charismatic debater who threatened the intellectual complacency of many Brahmins. The famous consequence of losing a debate in India was to lose one’s students, who would all convert to the winning school of thought. In Buddhist Tibet, monastic universities still put heavy emphasis on training students for debate, which is an essential part of the monastery curriculum.
PS: Do not get me wrong. This kind of culture has it's advantages (work oriented, fair, super calm, etc) but it's simply terrible for debates. It's the most anti-debate culture in the world. And what is even more terrible is that they expect you to subscribe to this culture and consider it superior just because they had a bigger empire than you at one point. If we would go down that logic, then the mongols are the best cause they had the biggest empire in history. Having a bigger empire does not mean your culture has no downsides whatsoever and that all the world should adopt it.