Why does bad things happen to people?

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Why does bad things happen to people?

Post by villkorkarma » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:59 pm

Why does bad things happen to people?
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Re: Why does bad things happen to people?

Post by villkorkarma » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:05 pm

Whats decides of what happends to me in Life? Is it what I am doing or is it how something else?
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Re: Why does bad things happen to people?

Post by bodom » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:08 pm

villkorkarma wrote:Why does bad things happen to people?
It is the nature of life to be this way:
D.22

What, now, is the Noble Truth of Suffering?

Birth is suffering; Decay is suffering; Death is suffering; Sorrow, Lamentation, Pain, Grief, and Despair are suffering; not to get what one desires, is suffering; in short: the Five Groups of Existence are suffering.

What, now, is Birth? The birth of beings belonging to this or that order of beings, their being born, their conception and springing into existence, the manifestation of the Groups of Existence, the arising of sense activity: this is called birth.

And what is Decay? The decay of beings belonging to this or that order of beings; their becoming aged, frail, grey, and wrinkled; the failing of their vital force, the wearing out of the senses: this is called decay.

And what is Death? The departing and vanishing of beings out of this or that order of beings. their destruction, disappearance, death, the completion of their life-period, dissolution of the Groups of Existence, the discarding of the body: this is called death.

And what is Sorrow? The sorrow arising through this or that loss or misfortune which one encounters, the worrying oneself, the state of being alarmed, inward sorrow, inward woe: this is called sorrow.

And what is Lamentation? Whatsoever, through this or that loss or misfortune which befalls one, is wail and lament, wailing and lamenting, the state of woe and lamentation: this is called lamentation.

And what is Pain? The bodily pain and unpleasantness, the painful and unpleasant feeling produced by bodily impression: this is called pain.

And what is Grief? The mental pain and unpleasantness, the painful and unpleasant feeling produced by mental impression: this is called grief.

And what is Despair? Distress and despair arising through this or that loss or misfortune which one encounters: distressfulness, and desperation: this is called despair.

And what is the `Suffering of not getting what one desires'? To beings subject to birth there comes the desire; `O, that we were not subject to birth! O, that no new birth was before us!' Subject to decay, disease, death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair, the desire comes to them: `O, that we were not subject to these things! O, that these things were not before us!' But this cannot be got by mere desiring; and not to get what one desires, is suffering.
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The heart of the path is so simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice.

Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing.

Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this-just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle.

- Ajahn Chah

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Re: Why does bad things happen to people?

Post by SarathW » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:25 pm

There is a Sutta to answer these questions.
The simple answer is they are dependently originated.

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Re: Why does bad things happen to people?

Post by villkorkarma » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:43 pm

I meant what decides what hapends to me in Life?
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Re: Why does bad things happen to people?

Post by villkorkarma » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:04 am

Is it depending on mental objects in my mind or have I just fantasicing all that? I want to remember that someone said it depends on mental object in mind but maybe iam wrong, i cannot find the thread.
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Re: Why does bad things happen to people?

Post by pegembara » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:26 am

Why does things happen to people?

Because of causes and conditions.

Whether it is good or bad are value judgments, not reality.

Bad things happen to good people = Bad
Bad things happen to bad people = Good because they deserve it or it is their karma.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Why does bad things happen to people?

Post by SarathW » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:22 am

There are no good and bad people only good and bad action and thoughts.
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Re: Why does bad things happen to people?

Post by paul » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:07 am

---Bikkhu Bodhi:
We Are Not Hopeless Prisoners Of Our Past

"The twin teachings on kamma and rebirth have several important implications for understanding our own lives.

First they enable us to understand that we are fully responsible for what we are. We can't blame our troubles on our environment, on our heredity, on fate or on our upbringing. All these factors have made us what we are, but the reason we have met these circumstances is because of our past kamma. This might seem to be at first a pessimistic doctrine. It seems to imply that we are the prisoners of our past kammas, that we have to submit to their effects. This is a distortion.

It is true that very often we have to reap the results of our past kamma. But the important point to understand is that kamma is volitional action, and volitional action always takes place in the present, only in the present. This means at present it is possible for us to change the entire direction of our life.

If we closely examine our lives we'll see that our experience is of two types: first, experience that comes to us passively, which we receive independently of our choice; and second, experience which we create for ourselves through our choices and attitudes. The passive side of experience is largely the effect of past kamma.We generally have to face this and learn to accept it. But within those limitations there is a space, the tremendous space of the present moment, in which we can reconstruct our world with our own minds.

If we let ourselves be dominated by selfishness, hatred, ambition and dullness, then, even if we are wealthy and powerful, we'll still be living in misery and suffering and keep planting seeds for rebirth in the world of suffering. On the other hand, even if we are poor and in sad circumstances, with much pain and misfortune, if we observe pure conduct, develop a mind of generosity, kindness and understanding, then we can transform our world, we can build a world of love and peace."

This suffering in daily life should form the subject of contemplation to develop knowledge of the three characteristics of existence: impermanence, suffering and non-self.

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