Open letter to the English Theravada Buddhist community

[Luca123]

The difference is that Arahants have gone beyond attachment and don't react to pain in the same way as an ordinary person does.

Why they do not show this

What do you mean why don't they show it? How could they show it in the first place? It's a purely mental kind of thing. Physically an Arahant would respond the same to pain as anyone else would.

By showing they can remain unaffected under severe pain

[Ben]

All the best, Luca.
I hope you find what you are looking for.
With metta,
Ben

[Luca123]

All the best, Luca.
I hope you find what you are looking for.
With metta,
Ben

I am looking for some attention for my little question
I hope that I will fin someone willing to listen

With metta,
Luca

[SarathW]

Good Luck Luca 123!

[Dhammanando]

Why Arhants do not show what they preach: that they have no physical suffering
Simple as this
I will rest my case

Your question was already answered in the first thread you started. You just didn't like the answer.

[Alobha]

Arhants go great lenghts to teach others
Showing they can not feel pain would help to convince many people maybe
It costs nothing to them
Why simply not do it
I am asking a simple question

I answered that question on the other thread already. Your question would not persist if you would actually listen to what other people respond to your questions (on this thread and elsewhere).You could stay around and actually learn about the teachings for a while (I've pointed out to you that you don't understand the basic concepts of the teachings correctly before) or continue your search for whatever you are looking for around the globe. Listening is a requirement for learning from others, the world and yourself. I hope you will come to understand that some day on your journey. Good luck on your path Luca.

[Luca123]

You mean it is a rule problem?
I do not think that a medical experiment done on an Arhant would be deemed as a stunt

1) medical tests on mystic people are done routinely
No one considers them as stunts
2) you cant fake not to feel pain
3) if it is a problem of rules, what does he has to lose to break the rule?

[Dhammanando]

You mean it is a rule problem?

I mean it's a rule. It's no problem at all.

I do not think that a medical experiment done on an Arhant would be deemed as a stunt

Whether or not this would count as a stunt (i.e., an exhibition of supernormal power), it would (if it were done to convince people of his arahantship) amount to a declaration of his attainment to unordained people.

[Luca123]

You mean it is a rule problem?

I mean it's a rule. It's no problem at all.

I do not think that a medical experiment done on an Arhant would be deemed as a stunt

Whether or not this would count as a stunt (i.e., an exhibition of supernormal power), it would (if it were done to convince people of his arahantship) amount to a declaration of his attainment to unordained people.

And what does he risk with breaking the rule

[Bakmoon]

You mean it is a rule problem?
I do not think that a medical experiment done on an Arhant would be deemed as a stunt

1) medical tests on mystic people are done routinely
No one considers them as stunts
2) you cant fake not to feel pain
3) if it is a problem of rules, what does he has to lose to break the rule?

But Arahants do feel physical pain, so how on earth could you use pain to test to see if someone is an Arahant or not?

[Dhammanando]

3) if it is a problem of rules, what does he has to lose to break the rule?

The silly, fruitless and Eeyorish line of questioning that has been your stock-in-trade since joining this forum all seems to be premised on the notion that an arahant has something to prove — that he would feel it imperative to persuade people of his attainment and would stop at nothing to arouse faith in them. But why assume any such thing?

[Luca123]

3) if it is a problem of rules, what does he has to lose to break the rule?

The silly, fruitless and Eeyorish line of questioning that has been your stock-in-trade since joining this forum all seems to be premised on the notion that an arahant has something to prove — that he would feel it imperative to persuade people of his attainment and would stop at nothing to arouse faith in them. But why assume any such thing?

To convince other people to practice?

[Luca123]

You mean it is a rule problem?
I do not think that a medical experiment done on an Arhant would be deemed as a stunt

1) medical tests on mystic people are done routinely
No one considers them as stunts
2) you cant fake not to feel pain
3) if it is a problem of rules, what does he has to lose to break the rule?

But Arahants do feel physical pain, so how on earth could you use pain to test to see if someone is an Arahant or not?

Ven. Acariya Mahã Boowa says that he has reached a stage where "You can even smile while severe pain is arising—you can smile!—because the citta is separate"

[Bakmoon]

Ven. Acariya Mahã Boowa says that he has reached a stage where "You can even smile while severe pain is arising—you can smile!—because the citta is separate"

Yes, but that's not the same thing as saying that you don't feel physical pain. That just means that it doesn't affect your happiness.

[Dhammanando]

To convince other people to practice?

Nonsense. It would not be persuasive to those for whom the Dhamma is intended ("beings with but little dust in their eyes"; "the wise"), but only to the sort of credulous dimwits who'll go running after any tuppenny ha'penny Hindu sadhu who knows a few conjuring tricks.