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U.K General Election

Post by clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:08 am

Hi,


As the UK election is approaching I am curious as to how UK Buddhists will vote.

Who will you be voting for this election?


Personally I'm torn between the Green Party, https://www.greenparty.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, or the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition http://www.tusc.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Also any comments on UK politics by member's outside of the UK are welcome
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Re: U.K General Election

Post by Kim OHara » Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:43 am

I've always found the political left (and centre-left) more congenial than the right. The Left still has traces, at least, of compassion and a social conscience, whereas the right is all greed and delusion. YMMV, of course (but I hope not).
See if you can find a Vote Compass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_Compass set up for your election. Our ABC has been running them online for the last year or two (e.g. http://www.abc.net.au/news/nsw-election ... e-compass/) and I reckon they are great.

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Re: U.K General Election

Post by clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:04 am

Kim OHara wrote:I've always found the political left (and centre-left) more congenial than the right. The Left still has traces, at least, of compassion and a social conscience, whereas the right is all greed and delusion. YMMV, of course (but I hope not).
See if you can find a Vote Compass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_Compass set up for your election. Our ABC has been running them online for the last year or two (e.g. http://www.abc.net.au/news/nsw-election ... e-compass/) and I reckon they are great.

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I would agree that the left can be more compassionate than the right, although of course there are people on the right who feel that their position is based on social conscience, however I do think that the left has a more visionary and correct view of where human society (as a whole) should progress to, i.e. economic planning etc.
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Re: U.K General Election

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:12 am

clw_uk wrote:Who will you be voting for this election?
I'm a floating voter, most often voting Tory but sometimes not if I think there's some pressing issue that the Tories aren't adequately addressing. The issue that I'm most exercised about at the moment is the need for Britain to recover her purloined national sovereignty, the independence of her lawmaking powers, and control of her borders from the EU. For this reason — and in spite of my mixed feelings about libertarianism — I'll be voting for UKIP.

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Post by clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:19 am

Dhammanando wrote:
clw_uk wrote:Who will you be voting for this election?
I'm a floating voter, most often voting Tory but sometimes not if I think there's some pressing issue that the Tories aren't adequately addressing. The issue that I'm most exercised about at the moment is the need for Britain to recover her purloined national sovereignty, the independence of her lawmaking powers, and control of her borders from the EU. For this reason — and in spite of my mixed feelings about libertarianism — I'll be voting for UKIP.


Well the Socialist party and the Communist Party of Britain also want an exit from the EU, just without the Thatcherite policies of UKIP. :soap:
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Post by Kim OHara » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:30 am

clw_uk wrote:I'm interested in this Vote Compass, how does it work?
Just click on the link and try it!
You don't have to be a voter. If it asks which state you're from, you have my permission to become an honorary Queenslander. :tongue:
In brief, it asks you a set of questions, then (1) compares your answers with the stated positions of the parties on the same issues and tells you which party you are closest to, and (2) it feeds your answers into its opinion poll results, which tend to be more representative and more accurate than commercial ones because the number of respondents is so much greater.

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Post by Dinsdale » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:05 am

I'm really not sure at the moment! I don't trust the Tories with public services, but then I don't trust Labour with the economy. Lib Dems seem to have lost a lot of credibility, UKIP have some dodgy candidates and policies, Greens don't seem to live in the real world, and so on.

I reckon it will be another coalition.

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Re: U.K General Election

Post by clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:24 am

Spiny Norman wrote:I'm really not sure at the moment! I don't trust the Tories with public services, but then I don't trust Labour with the economy. Lib Dems seem to have lost a lot of credibility, UKIP have some dodgy candidates and policies, Greens don't seem to live in the real world, and so on.

I reckon it will be another coalition.

I think so as well, I think a Labour-SNP coalition is on the table.
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Re: U.K General Election

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:37 am

clw_uk wrote:SNP
For me they always conjure up images from the film "Braveheart"! :tongue:

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Post by clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:41 am

Spiny Norman wrote:
clw_uk wrote:SNP
For me they always conjure up images from the film "Braveheart"! :tongue:


Haha! I personally cant see Alex Salmon charging into battle.
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Post by Dinsdale » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:53 am

clw_uk wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:
clw_uk wrote:SNP
For me they always conjure up images from the film "Braveheart"! :tongue:
Haha! I personally cant see Alex Salmon charging into battle.
Don't the SNP want an independent Scotland? It's difficult to see how they'd work with Labour on pivotal issues like that. Though I guess they'd be the "junior partner" anyway if they joined up with Labour, maybe like the Lib Dems currently are with the Tories?

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Re: U.K General Election

Post by clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:01 am

If there was a coalition there would be more devolution to Scotland, which I think is a good thing, but there wouldn't be independence. Scotland had its referendum and the people said no. Labour and the SNP aren't silly enough to push something through that is that big without public support. On other issues though they share common ground.
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Re: U.K General Election

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:09 am

clw_uk wrote:If there was a coalition there would be more devolution to Scotland, which I think is a good thing, but there wouldn't be independence. Scotland had its referendum and the people said no. Labour and the SNP aren't silly enough to push something through that is that big without public support. On other issues though they share common ground.
Sure, but it seems likely that if they got into government the SNP would keep pushing for further referendums until they got the answer they wanted. Scotland gaining independence would lead to the UK government collapsing, presumably forcing another election?

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Post by clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:15 am

Spiny Norman wrote:
clw_uk wrote:If there was a coalition there would be more devolution to Scotland, which I think is a good thing, but there wouldn't be independence. Scotland had its referendum and the people said no. Labour and the SNP aren't silly enough to push something through that is that big without public support. On other issues though they share common ground.
Sure, but it seems likely that if they got into government the SNP would keep pushing for further referendums until they got the answer they wanted. Scotland gaining independence would lead to the UK government collapsing, presumably forcing another election?

Full independence just wouldn't happen. The SNP would look to dictatorial if they challenged a referendum so soon. All that would happen would be more devolution to Scotland, which I actually welcome as it would open up the doors for more powers to the Senedd in Cardiff, as well as laying the foundations for having an English parliament.

Personally I think it would be a positive coalition, not just for the socialist polices that would be enacted, but because it would push the U.K. nearer to federalisation instead of the centralisation that we currently have.
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Re: U.K General Election

Post by Disciple » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:21 am

Dhammanando wrote:
clw_uk wrote:Who will you be voting for this election?
I'm a floating voter, most often voting Tory but sometimes not if I think there's some pressing issue that the Tories aren't adequately addressing. The issue that I'm most exercised about at the moment is the need for Britain to recover her purloined national sovereignty, the independence of her lawmaking powers, and control of her borders from the EU. For this reason — and in spite of my mixed feelings about libertarianism — I'll be voting for UKIP.
What are you views on the bnp?

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Re: U.K General Election

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:42 am

Disciple wrote:What are you views on the bnp?
There is not much I can say as it's such a long time since I last looked at BNP's policies. Just a few random thoughts...

I wouldn't myself vote for a party that was committed to restoring the death penalty.

I recall that on the economy the BNP is advocating virtually the same measures as Old Labour back in the 1960's and 1970's — socialist nationalization policies that failed miserably even when they were being implemented by a government of relatively intelligent people. There's no reason to think they would work any better if it were the boorish yahoos of BNP who were implementing them.

I think the party is right about the need to deal with the menace of Islam, but their program for dealing with it is not a sufficiently realistic one.

They are also right about the need to take Britain out of Europe. But then as Craig has informed us, even the Bolshevik baboons of the Communist Party have raised their hairy paws in support of that. So as far Euroscepticism goes the voters are spoilt for choice.

Whenever BNP candidates have been elected to local councils or to the European Parliament, they've consistently shown themselves to be lazy, stupid and incompetent.

And that's about all I can think of to say. :shrug:

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Re: U.K General Election

Post by clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:54 am

There is not much I can say as it's such a long time since I last looked at BNP's policies. Just a few random thoughts...

Why bother, pure petite nationalistic Nazi sympathizers

I wouldn't myself vote for a party that was committed to restoring the death penalty.
I hope thats not the only police of the BNP that you disagree with, there stance on homosexusals and minorities is barbaric. Pure Christian white extremism.
I recall that on the economy the BNP is advocating virtually the same measures as Old Labour back in the 1960's and 1970's — socialist nationalization policies that failed miserably even when they were being implemented by a government of relatively intelligent people. There's no reason to think they would work any better if it were the boorish yahoos of BNP who were implementing them.

Hardly when the party outsources production of its merchandise to Asia. British jobs for British workers indeed :jumping:
I think the party is right about the need to deal with the menace of Islam, but their program for dealing with it is not a sufficiently realistic one.
The "menace of Islam"? Which Islam do you refer to? Generalisations arent very helpful. I did see your link on your facebook to the Atlantic article. If you subscribe to the articles views then you ignore the socio-economic circumstances which lead to ISIS's creation. Modern Capitalism gave birth to the beast of Islamic State.
Whenever BNP candidates have been elected to local councils or to the European Parliament, they've consistently shown themselves to be lazy, stupid and incompetent.
As most far right politicians are
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Re: U.K General Election

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:59 am

clw_uk wrote:
There is not much I can say as it's such a long time since I last looked at BNP's policies. Just a few random thoughts...

Why bother, pure petite nationalistic Nazi sympathizers
Because Disciple asked my opinion. It wouldn't otherwise have even occurred to me to write about them.

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Re: U.K General Election

Post by clw_uk » Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:01 am

Dhammanando wrote:
clw_uk wrote:
There is not much I can say as it's such a long time since I last looked at BNP's policies. Just a few random thoughts...

Why bother, pure petite nationalistic Nazi sympathizers
Because Disciple asked my opinion. It wouldn't otherwise have even occurred to me to write about them.

Maybe you could expand on why Islam is a "menace"?
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Post by Mr Man » Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:07 am

clw_uk wrote:

Maybe you could expand on why Islam is a "menace"?
Is that relevant to this thread? Possibly to discuss this would be against the TOS. It is a sure way to get this thread locked. We have been there many times before.

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