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Mindfulness: has it been hijacked by business or...

Post by Kusala » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:14 am

can it change lives? http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable- ... ry-inquiry This is part 2 to Mindfulness: A Secularized Buddhist Practice in the West.

Is this the beginning of "counterfeit Dhamma"?
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Post by appicchato » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:10 am

Follow the money... :coffee:

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Post by Sanjay PS » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:40 am

Just recently , i had come across of a web site that mentions of liberation from the bondages of a deluded self , merely by having focussed inter-actions on the web with appointed " e-guides ", and once the e-guide feels that the student has also reached liberation , he/she can become e-guides , to further share the liberation . It left me wondering :stirthepot:

However , i must say that , that the blog of one of the persons promoting this web initiative , was saturated with deep insight and metaphors of the delusion of a self .There was clarity . Probably just branching out after having advanced quite a bit .

It reminded of a Venerable Monk , Sayagi Thetgi , who when approached by an eager Dhamma Student , having authored a book on Dhamma , asked the student to get a match box , and lit the book , saying at the most , these create only confusion .

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Post by SarathW » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:00 am

Buddha taught the right mindfulness (Samma Sati).
He asked us to refrain from wrong mindfulness (Mitcca Sati).
So these matters mention in OP are in line with his teaching and to be considered as wrong mindfulness.
Aren't we lucky we know the difference between those two?
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Post by Sanjay PS » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:36 am

SarathW wrote:Buddha taught the right mindfulness (Samma Sati).
He asked us to refrain from wrong mindfulness (Mitcca Sati).
So these matters mention in OP are in line with his teaching and to be considered as wrong mindfulness.
Aren't we lucky we know the difference between those two?
:)
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Post by Lazy_eye » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:41 pm

Kusala wrote: Is this the beginning of "counterfeit Dhamma"?
No, because it isn't Dhamma at all -- the goals are different.

It just happens that mindfulness techniques have been shown to be beneficial in various contexts other than Buddhism. For example, when I was in my twenties, I suffered from anxiety problems and received therapy for it, which included a form of mindfulness practice. It was extremely beneficial and may have even helped save my life.

I was not a Buddhist and knew very little about Buddhist teachings. Would you have denied me the benefit of these techniques just because my goals were not the same as yours?
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Post by Sam Vara » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:00 pm

SarathW wrote:Buddha taught the right mindfulness (Samma Sati).
He asked us to refrain from wrong mindfulness (Mitcca Sati).
So these matters mention in OP are in line with his teaching and to be considered as wrong mindfulness.
Aren't we lucky we know the difference between those two?
:)
Excellent point, SarathW. Have you seen Ajahn Sucitto's little article dealing with this and similar issues?
http://www.cittaviveka.org/index.php/te ... indfulness
So: ‘…when your virtue is well-purified and your view is straight, based upon virtue,
established upon virtue, you should develop the four establishments of mindfulness.’
(S47.15) Now, the body isn’t virtuous or non-virtuous in and of itself, and neither is
feeling, so this instruction isn’t about object-definition but about how one attends and
why. Robbing a bank or slaughtering a chicken might require clarity, focus and calm, but
they wouldn’t be themes for right mindfulness (although there is such a thing as
‘wrong’/miccha’ mindfulness), because they don’t reveal the ‘essence’, in this case the
mental potencies of avarice, shamelessness and non-empathy. So, for right mindfulness,
the ‘attentive’ aspect of mindfulness has to connect with felt awareness of one’s approach
and intention. Because attention, manasikāra, is amoral; assassins can cultivate it to a
high degrees. But attention is only one aspect of mind, the aspect that is operated
through manas – mind as rational, object-defining tool. This is the function that gets
tuned to high degrees of efficiency and speed. People racing through piles of data, people
rapidly trading stocks and shares, people behind screens, scanning and taking notes have
high degrees of attention and rapid reference. But what they’re not referring to is their
own mind, mind as ‘heart’ or ‘citta’. This is the mind of feelings and impressions and of
‘how I am’; mind as an empathic and central steady ground. And through lack of clear
reference to citta, we have rampant social and individual disease – people losing
themselves in what grabs attention; people stressed out through losing contact with their
inner ground, even to the extent of not knowing that there is one

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Post by meindzai » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:56 pm

Lazy_eye wrote:
Kusala wrote: Is this the beginning of "counterfeit Dhamma"?
No, because it isn't Dhamma at all -- the goals are different.

It just happens that mindfulness techniques have been shown to be beneficial in various contexts other than Buddhism. For example, when I was in my twenties, I suffered from anxiety problems and received therapy for it, which included a form of mindfulness practice. It was extremely beneficial and nay have even helped save my life.

I was not a Buddhist and knew very little about Buddhist teachings. Would you have denied me the benefit of these techniques just because my goals were not the same as yours?
Same story here, more or less. I am probably alive (or at least not a drug addled or psychotic mess) in large part thanks to Dhamma-lite.

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Post by SarathW » Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:54 am

Any mindfulness directed towards wholesome action or results is right mindfulness.
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