lyndon taylor wrote:Statistical studies have shown that even poor people give a larger percent of their income to charity than the very rich, when a billionaire gives a million dollars to a school, thats like us giving a penny, not much at all. Truly generous rich people are few and far between, money corrupts the expression says.
David N. Snyder wrote:However, if we compare by annual income, the scenario may very well be as follows:
A billionaire who makes 4 million in annual salary per year gives 1 million to a school = 25% of his income to charity
Another person gives 450 on a $15,000 annual salary = 3%
purple planet wrote:so a new question : are "advanced lay buddhists" better at there jobs and more successful (focus better - preform better - work harder) in what they do than others ?
David N. Snyder wrote:I agree with you. I agree with the basic points you are making in the OP. If one has greater concentration, greater focus, less greed, etc., then yes it is possible to do your job or career to the best of your ability and likely to succeed. See: Sedaka Sutta.
A few very successful Buddhist celebrities:
Ellison Onizuka, NASA Astronaut
Tiger Woods, professional golfer
Steve Wynn, Las Vegas casino mogul
However, there are other factors involved, such as the economy, your bosses, co-workers and other things which could prevent an otherwise very focused person from getting ahead.
purple planet wrote:When someone has lower levels of sloth and torpor he has energy to work well - (if only to help his boss or not make his boss frustrated or to prevent him from getting fired so he can feed his family )
he has less greed and aversion so less chances he will surf the internet while at work
he has more focus and less distracted so he would work better
he will less likely get into arguments
by less aversion and understanding annicha antta and dukkha he wont feel bad if his boss will ask him to work a few extra hours
once the mind is clear from hindrances one can find solutions to problems better
all this things should come natural to him without any desire or effort so i dont think its a matter of ambition
purple planet wrote:...
Ok what i think now : the dhamma does help deal with mundane life and does help to do better in life ...
purple planet wrote: ... - and i do belive that buddhist (Advanced ones) should do better in their job performance - its just logical they would -
purple planet wrote: ... they wouldnt work for nothing and wouldn't work just for the sake of working
Is there such work, that never is good for anything ?
purple planet wrote:Is there such work, that never is good for anything ?
yeah i wont work for my boss to get more money so he can go party ...
purple planet wrote:- but i will work for my family - i wont work for the sake of working - its time wasting and lots of times health damaging
purple planet wrote:but i understand doshin that there are many factors to calculate in this issue
Doshin wrote:Generally I think your thread/theme is based on comparing one (self) to others, i.e. am I being better, worse or equal to others. As far as I see that is a conceit, and I don't think it is a productive train of thoughts.
/William James/ followed the Romantics in saying that the function of religious experience was to heal the sense of "divided self," creating a more integrated self-identity better able to function in society.
Drawing on Methodism to provide two categories for classifying all religious experiences — conversion and sanctification — James gave a Romantic interpretation to both. For the Methodists, these categories applied specifically to the soul's relationship to God. Conversion was the turning of the soul to God's will; sanctification, the attunement of the soul to God's will in all its actions. To apply these categories to other religions, James removed the references to God, leaving a more Romantic definition: conversion unifies the personality; sanctification represents the on-going integration of that unification into daily life.
Also, James followed the Romantics in judging the effects of both types of experiences in this-worldly terms. Conversion experiences are healthy when they foster healthy sanctification: the ability to maintain one's integrity in the rough and tumble of daily life, acting as a moral and responsible member of human society.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... icism.html
purple planet wrote:part of the sappaya dhamma - 7 supporting factors is avoiding over work (others are over eating/sleeping/talking ect)
a buddhist will preform a bit better because of the practice
he might use it to end early and go home early - but if his family needs the money he can work harder - and he wont feel depresed cause of it
Theoretically, this seems like it should be true. But I find it a bit idealistic. What you describe might be like that for someone who has no doubts about the Dhamma, no major problems and questions in their practice, who is solidly established in the practice. But who is like that ...
Again, where does one draw the line?
For a particular person, the amount of work considered minimum in some jobs, may already be overwork.
An ordinary worker cannot set these norms themselves; they are instead set by the boss or employment policy. And it's not easy to live up to that norm, at least for some people. And if one struggles to even just live up to the minimum - what hopes can such a person have for anything more, anytime soon?
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