Buckwheat wrote:"Denial" is a common term in pop-psychology (and possibly real psychology). Our use of it has nothing to do with the holocaust, and everything with seeing a group of people in denial about the reality of something that is clearly evident to the vast majority of climate scientists.
Nobody denies that climate changes.
This is not ad hominem, which is by definition irrelevant to the point being discussed.
Since when calling someone an "idiot" rather than providing better point by point refutation of a view is not ad hominem?
An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument. link
What do you have to say about more recent charts that I've provided in my post
Even with all the human CO2 emission, the overall temperature can go down and in the 1970's there was a global cooling scare, yet human CO2 emissions continued to rise. If CO2 amplified global warming, as you kept saying, why as CO2 emissions rise, temperature doesn't always rise?
How much long term correlation is there between CO2 levels on Earth and temperature?
from 4,400 to 7,000 yet average global temperature remained steady at ~23C. (1st half of Cambrian
from 7,000ppm to ~4,400 yet average global temperature remained steady at ~23C (2nd half of Cambrian
from ~4,400 to 3,000 yet average global temperature was flat at ~23C (Silurian
between 3,000 and 4,000 yet global temperature remained at ~23C. (end of Silurian and first half of Devonian
from 2,000 to ~900, yet average global temperature increased and then stayed at ~21C (Cretaceous
*CO2 numbers are in ppm
Buckwheat wrote:like so many written by denialists, cherry-picks the real data from a scientific report, but continues to draw their own conclusions,
Cherry picking the data is when someone claims that today's temperature rise is catastrophic and draw hockey-stick graphs where you compare the current temperature to one of the coldest periods it has ever been in past 600 million years, rather than to the USUAL temperatures.
Since we are in interglacial, of course the temperature is going to sometimes bounce off a little bit from the lows. This has nothing to do with human activity. If you check my graphs above, even the rate of change today is not that big as it was before in past 12,000 years.
In 1970s there was global cooling scare, yet CO2 levels were increasing. Then came global warming concern. Then as temperatures weren't always rising, the AGW proponents made a smart move at renaming to "climate change
", as if climate doesn't change. Now, no matter how climate changes (becomes hotter or colder
) it can conveniently be blamed on humans.