"She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"

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Post by Yana » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:37 pm

Annapurna am crying now.

did you know they used the same iron rod to rape her also.that's how she died you know,it penetrated into her and cut her intestines,damaging inside,

am shaking so bad,that poor child.poor baby.i mean..i'm crying so bad right now because i know i sound so horrible but GOD! think it's so much better that she died!!who would want to live with that..Tuhan..God nobody deserves to live with that memory.

how can people do that you know..i just don't understand!

some people.scum i tell you!

i feel like vomiting,i'm gonna be sick!!!
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Post by Annapurna » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:41 pm

Yana wrote:
cooran wrote:So .... as this is a Buddhist discussion board, how would the Buddha's Teachings guide us to consider, say and act over this matter?
Towards ourselves, and towards others?

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i don't know chris.but i do know mawkish needs to learn biology.

(something tells me i'll probably delete this after i get my 8 hours sleep).
I saved it in my quote....biology, yes.

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Post by Annapurna » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:08 pm

Yana wrote:Annapurna am crying now.

did you know they used the same iron rod to rape her also.that's how she died you know,it penetrated into her and cut her intestines,damaging inside,

am shaking so bad,that poor child.poor baby.i mean..i'm crying so bad right now because i know i sound so horrible but GOD! think it's so much better that she died!!who would want to live with that..Tuhan..God nobody deserves to live with that memory.

how can people do that you know..i just don't understand!

some people.scum i tell you!

i feel like vomiting,i'm gonna be sick!!!
Dear, dear, yes, I know.

I understand your thought that maybe it was better she didn't have to survive so badly crippled...

Look...

http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=& ... 4169,d.bGE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Yana » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:11 pm

i'm sorry chris i know your right but,. :heart:
i don't know if you understand this but...i'd rather be killed than be raped,you know,i don't know if you understand.so,unless angulimala was a rapist, to me,he's better than those 6 scum.I don't like people who hurt other people in any way but rapists..i mean..they are a different breed..i can not compare them to murderers..and i don't know if i am the only one who sees this..but if you can find me an example of a rapist who mended his ways and joined the Buddha,i will be willing to open my heart up.but i doubt it.something about sexual urges and abuse that's seem sooo wrong.even in buddhist standards.

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Post by Khalil Bodhi » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:20 pm

Okay everyone, let's get :focus:

Please feel free to start a new thread if desired. Metta :heart:
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Post by cooran » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:44 pm

Hello Yana,
Yana said: but if you can find me an example of a rapist who mended his ways and joined the Buddha,i will be willing to open my heart up
This might be of interest:
Josef Fritzl embraces Buddhism
Published: Friday, January 30, 2009, 11:24 [IST]
London, Jan 30 (ANI): Austrian incest fiend Josef Fritzl, who caged his teenage daughter in a cellar and repeatedly raped her over 24 years, has converted to Buddhism.
The 74-year-old has also invited criminal psychologists to study his warped mind.
Fritzl first came to know about the religion - which focuses on personal spiritual development - during a family holiday in Thailand.
But he only recently became a devoted follower while in jail, reports the Sun.
He is currently awaiting trial on March 16 for murder, rape, slavery, incest, imprisonment and abuse.
But he hopes to be reincarnated as a decent person in his next life if he can help stop other weirdos copying his crimes.
He wants experts to quiz him to work out the root of his evil.
Fritzl told his lawyer: "They should look at what makes me tick and learn from it to stop anything like this happening again."
Forensic psychiatrist Professor Reinhardt Haller said: "It would be foolish to refuse this offer."
Fritzl imprisoned his daughter Elisabeth for 24 years in a dungeon under the family home in Amstetten and used her as his sex slave.
She bore seven children by her dad - one of whom he is accused of killing by failing to get medical help when the boy was born with breathing difficulties. An eighth child was miscarried. (ANI)
http://news.oneindia.in/2009/01/30/jose ... dhism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

e European tabloids are abuzz with the news that Josef Fritzl, who infamously raped his daughter, imprisoning her in his cellar for 24 years, has “converted to Buddhism.” The Sun (absolutely not to be confused with the Shambhala Sun!) reports that Fritzl “hopes to be reincarnated as a decent person in his next life if he can help stop other weirdos copying his crimes,” and “wants experts to quiz him to work out the root of his evil.”
The monstrosity of his crimes can, of course, not be denied, and people are expected to “take sides.” One person I know even told me “you shouldn’t even report on that. He’s the sickest @#&*%@ on the planet.” On the other hand, the mighty Konchog Norbu reminds us that things aren’t so clear-cut, saying, simply, “It worked for Angulimala.” And we all know the great work and change that the dharma has affected in so many prisoners’ lives.
http://shambhalasun.com/sunspace/?p=5587" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Annapurna » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:46 pm

Yana wrote:i'm sorry chris i know your right but,. :heart:
i don't know if you understand this but...i'd rather be killed than be raped,you know,i don't know if you understand.so,unless angulimala was a rapist, to me,he's better than those 6 scum.I don't like people who hurt other people in any way but rapists..i mean..they are a different breed..i can not compare them to murderers..and i don't know if i am the only one who sees this..but if you can find me an example of a rapist who mended his ways and joined the Buddha,i will be willing to open my heart up.but i doubt it.something about sexual urges and abuse that's seem sooo wrong.even in buddhist standards.

metta
Well, Angulimala was of high birth, and given to a master, to teach him, but this master was evil and ordered him to kill 1000 people, a thing that wouldn't have occured to Angulimala himself, -he only thought he had to obey his master....

These men are different from Angulimala, and who knows if they will ever have insight into what they did,as Angulimala realized it...but who knows.

I have studied Ted Bundy for a while, a rapist and serial killer.

I think, in contrast to other people who believe he never regretted, that he did regret. He is crying in his last interview, less than 24 hours before his own death.

I can't prove it, but I feel it.

I also think that these rapists might ...also develop insight into the dimension of how they failed this woman... and her friend, including their families, and ultimately, themselves, when one thinks of the karma they will inherit, which, on a deeper level, doesn't make a worldly punishment unnecessary, but helps us to distance ourselves from the urge to interfere in violent ways ourselves.

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Post by Annapurna » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:16 am

Annapurna: Expect the nature of man and better be cautious.
Mawkish: Not all men are rapists.
Annapurna: Obviously. I also didn't say they are.
Mawkish: Okay, why associate this 'nature of man' with the 'nature of a rapist'? I suspect, in fact, that the majority of men, even the vast majority of men, would never even imagine themselves in a situation where they would commit such an abhorrent act. I suspect the vast majority of men are strongly opposed to rape.

There are also, of course, cases of men suffering sexual abuse at the hands of women. To suggest that one should be cautious of the 'nature of man' is plainly, simply, wrong.

I thought it was worth saying.
I'm sorry, Mawkish,

but yesterday I forgot to mention THE most crucial thing about the "nature of man", that is relevant for this topic.

He is stronger.

So, how can it be "plainly, simply wrong to suggest women better expect the nature of man and are cautious"?

I say you are wrong if you deny caution is recommendable.

It flies in the face of everything that law enforcement and parents caution vulnerable people to do.

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Post by Yana » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:42 am

An update : Delhi gang-rape case in court as boyfriend speaks

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Post by Annapurna » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:03 am

My son fought bravely. He tried until the very end to save the girl and I am proud of him."
Tears.

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Post by Yana » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:38 am

Annapurna wrote:
My son fought bravely. He tried until the very end to save the girl and I am proud of him."
Tears.
:heart: :hug: I hope he can continue with his life now.Shattered and stolen away from him from such a young age.

Am very proud of him. May he be free from suffering and find true happiness :candle:
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Post by Annapurna » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:44 pm

It's so tragic...he had a bad feeling about the bus and the drivers, but his girlfriend thought she needed to keep a schedule...

Isn't that horrible...?

What if she had missed a date, usually no big deal...at least compared to this...

I am really curious what the verdict will be.

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Post by Ben » Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:58 pm

Mawkish1983 wrote:
There are also, of course, cases of men suffering sexual abuse at the hands of women. To suggest that one should be cautious of the 'nature of man' is plainly, simply, wrong.

I thought it was worth saying.
Thanks Mawkish for saying that.
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Post by Annapurna » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:12 pm

Yana wrote:
Annapurna wrote:
My son fought bravely. He tried until the very end to save the girl and I am proud of him."
Tears.
:heart: :hug: I hope he can continue with his life now.Shattered and stolen away from him from such a young age.

Am very proud of him. May he be free from suffering and find true happiness :candle:
I am proud of him too. They broke one of his legs, imagine....probably with the iron bar. so he couldn't even get up anymore. So brutal!! I find it especially hard to accept that so many people didn't stop and at least reassured them they'd get help!

I sometimes can't understand mankind.... this fear to be brave, this lack of compassion, these huge egos that get so easily bruised ...selfishness... pride, the need to be right and to domineer, anger about other opinions, the insensitivity in delicate issues... cheap shots at others one feels an aversion to...it's all so ignorant and so far away from the Dhamma....

And it will never change...

Never.

That is a depressing thought, but if the Buddha was able to overcome it, we have to as well.

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