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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:17 pm
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teeheeFede wrote:
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Gracious me that really is a limit.....!
You struck my curiosity enough. I wasn't going to watch the video at first. I skipped through it to check a few points, but didn't see anywhere in the video that there wasn't the narrator or anything else drowning out the chanting. Please let me know if there is a point in time where this is not the case and I'd be happy to try and help.Drolma wrote:I'd really like to know what the monks are chanting.
I hope they keep saying it too... and point to what that true spirit is.Peter wrote:"Many Thais say that the true spirit of Buddhism is being lost."
I'm glad they see it too. Soon they'll have a Thai Reformation...which will only cause more problems. =p But I sure hope they get their act together. May they all be well. _/|\_Peter wrote:From the article:
"Many Thais say that the true spirit of Buddhism is being lost."
I wonder about the potential demerit of those performing the ceremonies.mikenz66 wrote:At least they make some merit by making a donation...
This?mikenz66 wrote:This isn't particularly special, apart from the coffins it sounds like what I've seen at the local Wat. Here the lay person just disappears under a sheet, the monks chant some of the funeral chants about "sankhara anicca...", then they come out and the monks chant some sort of birth chant.
As far as I can understand, people do it here to "turn over a new leaf", etc, when they want to "turn their life around". Of course it might be more effective for them to do a meditation retreat, but I think there is a place for ritual as long as one appreciates it for what it is. At least they make some merit by making a donation...
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I might have another look at that video and see if I can make that out somewhere. I'm really not familiar with this ritual at all.Rupapadanak-khando
Vedanupadanak-khando
Sannupadanak-khando
Sankharupadanak-khando
Vinnanupadanak-khando
Yesam parinnaya
Dharmano so bhagava
Evam bahulam savake vineti
Evam bhaga ca panassa bhagavato savakesu anusani bahula pavattati
Rupam aniccam
Vedana anicca
Sanna anicca
Sankhara anicca
Vinnanam aniccam
Rupam anatta
Vedana anatta
Sanna anatta
Sankhara anatta
Vinanam anatta
I can't speak for the case in the news, but for the regular ceremony that I described I don't see why there should there be demerit for the monks any more than there would be demerit with the other ceremonies, such as when the monks chant blessing when the lay people offer them food. In either case the lay people make an offering and (implicitly in the regular offering case) ask for a protective chant.retrofuturist wrote: I wonder about the potential demerit of those performing the ceremonies.
Not to single you out here Drolma...Whatever they're chanting, what difference does it make?...the people don't know what it means...and being Pali there's a real good chance the monk doesn't know either...I know I'm asking for a flameout here, but that's the view from this angle...Drolma wrote:I don't feel it's fair to rush to judgment without knowing exactly what the monks are chanting...