The woman of Buddha Sakyamuni

[Ana]

Give it all to me. You have no ego, no I, you renounce to everything.
So give it all to me, your politics, your religion, your institutions, your commerce, your industries.
You don't want it. You don't want to suffer, you don't want to rule, you are nothing.
That is the true meaning of renounciation and no "I" - you give it all to me.
What else do you want? I am giving you the chance to be an enlightened being by being the Princess who keeps all that you don't want and all that makes you suffer. You will not have the "I" to judge me because you also renounced to judgement.
Give it to your Princess, to the mother of your child. Who else should you give it to?
Give it to your mother, to the mother of you. Who else should you give it to?

When people renounce the wordly life to focus on enlightenment, they dont give the worldly life they had to others

Give it to your Princess, to the mother of your child. Who else should you give it to?
Give it to your mother, to the mother of you. Who else should you give it to

What is there to give?

the legacy of course
the institutions, the kingdom, the religion, buddhism

[Ceisiwr]

Greetings

then it's the Princess who has no ego, no "I", because she is happy that you are enlightened, she is not wanting the enlightenment for herself. she is rejoicing that you found the way out of the cycle, not her. She is the one who renounced to everything, even enlightenment, even finding, because the Prince went searching and if you search it's because you want something. the Princess is happy that you get it. How has she not helped you at all?

Who is this princess your refering to? If you mean Yasodharā, "she" died many centuries ago

[Ceisiwr]

Greetings

the legacy of course
the institutions, the kingdom, the religion, buddhism

These things arent forced on others, they are left behind for those who wish to follow the path to awakening (with the exception of "kingdom", Buddhadhamma isnt about kingdoms or goverment in my understanding)


Metta

[Ana]

Greetings

the legacy of course
the institutions, the kingdom, the religion, buddhism

These things arent forced on others, they are left behind for those who wish to follow the path to awakening (with the exception of "kingdom", Buddhadhamma isnt about kingdoms or goverment in my understanding)


Metta

I got to go and meditate now
I hope you feel happy I came here to chat a bit







bye everybody

[Ngawang Drolma.]

Striking resemblance here! The photo on the left is an actress named Isabella Rossellini.

[Individual]

Enlightenment comes naturally. After many reincarnations. You can't stop being something. You can't stop being yourself. You can't provoke it.

This seems to be the view propounded by the Ajivikas, which the Buddha rejected. The Buddha taught that enlightened comes through gradual, disciplined training. Your remarks above about the Buddha's woman, assuming they're about his wife, they're also wrong. She was well taken care of. He was gone, but everything is impermanent. No one would fault the world if the Buddha was taken away by cancer and yet if he was taken away by a quest to seek enlightenment for the sake of all sentient beings equally, this is a controversy?

[Fede]

Today, now, I am a woman.
I am a Buddhist woman.
I am a free-thinker and independent.
I am what many might call 'liberated'.
But I am not 'Feminist.'

I used to think as you do.

I have moved on somewhat.....

I actually find your view jaded, and objectionable.
It is obvious you have a prejudiced view and are propounding an agenda.
I think you need to shed the obscurations and clouds from your eyes and understand, know and accept that Gender, in Buddhism is entirely irrelevant.
Starting from this viewpoint, then you can build on the real message of Buddhism:

Life is Suffering/Unsatisfactory.
It is thus because we cling, grasp and insist....
We can rise above and leave this clinging, grasping insistence.
The way to do this, is through the Eightfold Path.

Nowhere here, is it even insinuated that there exists the Woman of Buddha Sakyamuni.
But there is emphasis on the clinging, grasping insistence.

Stop insisting.

You'll do fine.

[Ceisiwr]

This seems to be the view propounded by the Ajivikas, which the Buddha rejected. The Buddha taught that enlightened comes through gradual, disciplined training.

I agree here, it does seem to be an Ajivika thinking


In reguards to the Ajivikas, I read somewhere (cant find the site now) that out of his contemporaries the Buddha opposed the Ajivikas the most, since they denied action and result while others like ajita kesakambali denied result but not action etc