Buddhism and alcohol

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dharmacorps
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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by dharmacorps » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:24 pm

binocular wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:10 pm
dharmacorps wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:32 pm
If they are able to stop drinking at 2 drinks they have something alcoholics don't.
The problem is that this kind of view can be an example of glorifying "normal drinkers" and stigmatizing alcoholics.
No, that would only be true if one didn't understand addiction issues and misinterprets what is being discussed.

James Tan
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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by James Tan » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:31 am

Hi once returner ,

It seems you now have 3 alternatives or choices .
1. Join the detox programs
2. Find a Chinese physician to treat you with herbs. One which can monitor your development . But , you still need to have very strong determination .
3. This is on your own . One man war . Really really hard to do .
Make a vow : only drinks 2 glasses per day until you totally fully recovered . However , this is my method , very very difficult to achieve . Each time you drink a glass , you will have to take at least 1 hour to finish it . Once in daylight and once in evening , you arrange your own time .Take a sip at a time , each time you have to watch how the taste arises , how it lingers on your tongue , how it disappears , try to retain the taste as much as you could . So on until you finish the whole glass .
And then , if you want , no forcing , do the Tibetan bowing 100 to 200 times per day , you can divide accordingly or in one goal . Drinks a lot of little warm water after sweating . Drinks some lemon , lime and red/ green apple juice each day , but not cold one .Try it out my man .
Best wishes good luck .

Ps . By the way , anything you take , don't take cold or ice . Just normal temperature or a little warm .

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binocular
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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by binocular » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:26 pm

dharmacorps wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:24 pm
No, that would only be true if one didn't understand addiction issues and misinterprets what is being discussed.
You're just illustrating my point.

apophenia
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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by apophenia » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:02 pm

oncereturner wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:48 pm
I failed, it's game over. I give up the fight against Mara. This demon is invincible. I go to samsara, in my next life I will succeed.
This is a very good realization. You admit that you cannot control your drinking. This is very fertile ground. This is step one: "We admitted we were powerless over alcohol, and that our lives had become unmanagable."

You seem to resist the idea of giving AA a good try. Maybe you can read the Big Book and the Twelve and Twelve. It's no substitute for meetings, but it might still help. You can read them for free on the internet.

Read this: it's the first step in the 12/12, a very short read. https://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_step1.pdf

If you are interested, read this: https://www.aa.org/pages/en_US/alcoholics-anonymous
If you find it boring or difficult, read the personal stories at the end.

:hug:

oncereturner
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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:44 am

Garrib wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:48 am
oncereturner wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:48 pm
I failed, it's game over. I give up the fight against Mara. This demon is invincible. I go to samsara, in my next life I will succeed.
wrong choice my friend!!!! Take it one day at a time.

You know how meditation teachers always talk about the breath - it doesn't matter how many times your attention slips away, what matters is that whenever you recognize that your mind is wandering, you bring it back to the breath. At the same time, your goal is always to KEEP the attention on the breath (so you can develop better mindfulness and hopefully sometime: enter jhana). Perhaps the same is true for alcoholism and other addictions. No matter how many times you slip up, as soon as you recognize your error, you brings yourself BACK to your commitment to get sober. If you keep doing this, and keep up with your intention and effort, then hopefully you will reach the point that you are actually sober.
I use breathing techniques for relaxation and sleep. Sometimes the breathing gets out of control. In crowded places I start coughing. I try to hold breath, but I can't stop it. On the crowded bus, I often feel sick, and sweat. When practice breathing, I suddenly start coughing. The panic is exhausting every morning.

The office is crowded too. I breathe in what others breathe out. Coughing again. Now I have a medicine against it, hope it will help. We should fill the lung with fresh air.

I've seen a video, monks meditating and chanting next to the street somewhere in India. Their place was noisy and polluted. It's possible to achieve peace of mind in these circumstances, but I guess it takes practice.

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