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Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by alan » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am

First off, friends, I apologize for not getting into the other discussions on this. Makes me so sick. I had to take some time off.
Here is why I hate Trump, and why you should, too.
1) He refuses to recognize facts.
2) He is living in his own, separate reality, in which only he is great--all others are wrong.
3)He is debasing, through his very presence, but also his "tweets", the Presidency.
4) He is a God Dam Crazy Man, a complete narcissist, and also a pathological liar.

In the early thirties, no one in Germany thought that God Dam Crazy Adolph would take over. But it happened. He started by appealing to the lowest class, relying on their prejudice, and saying the whole system is corrupt--only he could make Germany great again. Then, he took over the the opposition parties, and the press.
Sound familiar?

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by alan » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:45 am

Trump got his start by telling idiots and fools--there are way more of them than you might want to admit--that President Obama was not born in America. This is just so much obvious Bulsh*t.
Who is stupid enough to believe this complete Bulls*t?

Note: Typed too fast. So edited. And, if someone is going to say, "Hey Alan, you are being judgmental", well, yes I am. And you should be to. We need a judgement on this Crazy Man. Smart people, I think, will judge him poorly.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by retrofuturist » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:53 am

Greetings,

Nowadays I generally don't tell people how great Trump is, because they either already know, or they don't want to hear it. People have had enough time to decide for themselves how they feel about the matter.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by alan » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:00 am

But who are the people who still like him, and why do they like him?
What is wrong with these people?
Because I think they must have some serious mental problems.
"Mexicans are rapists"! he claimed. "Build a Wall"! He said. The crowd chanted along. Also: "Lock her up"! The audience was pleased. They chanted along. Such Idiocy!
Who thinks like that?
Answer: God Dam Crazy people, I say.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by chownah » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:08 am

I guess I might as well produce the inevitable reply:
I hate him....who will be effected most by this hate?
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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Pondera » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:04 am

I like Trump. I think he's got chutzpah; gumption; get up and go. The man only sleeps 4 hours a night, for God's sake. :stirthepot:
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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by DNS » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:04 am

But alan . . . . why don't you tell us how you really feel? Come on, don't be shy. :tongue:

It looks like the GOP tax plan is going to pass. It will lower corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%. And then there are numerous other tax cuts in that bill. How are they going to pay for it? We just got out of such a huge global recession from G W Bush who cut taxes and sent us to costly wars triggering the recession. I sure hope Trump doesn't send us into another one already.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by alan » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:40 am

My friend, you know I am never shy.
It is just what their donors wanted--tax cuts. Because that is all they ever want, and the Republican party exists for that reason alone. Tax cuts for the wealthy. Next up, they will complain about the deficit they have created, and use that as an excuse to cut social programs.
Bet you I'm right.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Pondera » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:10 am

In your country isn't there an amendment that allows you to forcefully overthrow a corrupt government? If there is, why aren't you taking it up? Your government is obviously catering to the obscenely rich - doesn't give a damn about the common man... You're looking at a lifetime of hardship under that regime - maybe it's time for a regime change???
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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Nicolas » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:24 am

alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
[...] Makes me so sick. I had to take some time off. [...] I hate Trump [...]
chownah wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:08 am
who will be effected most by this hate?
:goodpost:

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Dhp 5 wrote: Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased. This is a law eternal.
Iti 2 wrote: Abandon one thing, bhikkhus, and I guarantee you non-returning. What is that one thing? Hate is that one thing, bhikkhus. Abandon that and I guarantee you non-returning.
[...]
Beings corrupted by hate
Go to rebirth in a bad bourn.
But having rightly understood hate,
Those with insight abandon it.
By abandoning it they never come
Back to this world again.
SN 1.71 wrote: “Having slain what does one sleep soundly?
Having slain what does one not sorrow?
What is the one thing, O Gotama,
Whose killing you approve?”

“Having slain anger, one sleeps soundly;
Having slain anger, one does not sorrow;
The killing of anger, O devatā,
With its poisoned root and honeyed tip:
This is the killing the noble ones praise,
For having slain that, one does not sorrow.”

(See also SN 2.3, SN 7.1, SN 11.21.)
Tissa Sutta (SN 21.9) wrote: Why are you angry? Don’t be angry!
Nonanger is better for you, Tissa.
It is to remove anger, conceit, and scorn,
That the holy life is lived, O Tissa.
Kakacūpama Sutta (MN 21) wrote: Even if bandits were to carve you up savagely, limb by limb, with a two-handled saw, he among you who let his heart get angered even at that would not be doing my bidding. Even then you should train yourselves: 'Our minds will be unaffected and we will say no evil words. We will remain sympathetic, with a mind of good will, and with no inner hate. We will keep pervading these people with an awareness imbued with good will and, beginning with them, we will keep pervading the all-encompassing world with an awareness imbued with good will — abundant, expansive, immeasurable, free from hostility, free from ill will.' That's how you should train yourselves.
Maṅgala Sutta (Snp 2.4) wrote: A mind that remains unshaken
By the ups and the downs of the world,
Sorrowless, stainless and safe:
This is the greatest good fortune.
Kodhana Sutta (AN 7.64) wrote: Anger inflames the mind.
He doesn’t realize that his danger is born from within.
An angry person doesn’t know his own benefit.
An angry person doesn’t see the Dhamma.
A man conquered by anger is in a mass of darkness.
Āghāta­paṭivinaya Sutta (AN 10.80) wrote: There are these ten ways of subduing hatred. Which ten?
[1] Thinking, ‘He has done me harm. But what should I expect?’ one subdues hatred.
[2] Thinking, ‘He is doing me harm. But what should I expect?’ one subdues hatred.
[3] Thinking, ‘He is going to do me harm. But what should I expect?’ one subdues hatred.
[4] Thinking, ‘He has done harm to people who are dear & pleasing to me. But what should I expect?’ one subdues hatred.
[5] Thinking, ‘He is doing harm to people who are dear & pleasing to me. But what should I expect?’ one subdues hatred.
[6] Thinking, ‘He is going to do harm to people who are dear & pleasing to me. But what should I expect?’ one subdues hatred.
[7] Thinking, ‘He has aided people who are not dear or pleasing to me. But what should I expect?’ one subdues hatred.
[8] Thinking, ‘He is aiding people who are not dear or pleasing to me. But what should I expect?’ one subdues hatred.
[9] Thinking, ‘He is going to aid people who are not dear or pleasing to me. But what should I expect?’ one subdues hatred.
[10] One does not get worked up over impossibilities.
These are ten ways of subduing hatred.

(See also AN 9.30.)
Āghāta­paṭivinaya Sutta (AN 5.161) wrote: There are these five ways of subduing hatred by which, when hatred arises in a monk, he should wipe it out completely. Which five?

When one gives birth to hatred for an individual, one should develop good will for that individual. Thus the hatred for that individual should be subdued.

When one gives birth to hatred for an individual, one should develop compassion for that individual. Thus the hatred for that individual should be subdued.

When one gives birth to hatred for an individual, one should develop equanimity toward that individual. Thus the hatred for that individual should be subdued.

When one gives birth to hatred for an individual, one should pay him no mind & pay him no attention. Thus the hatred for that individual should be subdued.

When one gives birth to hatred for an individual, one should direct one’s thoughts to the fact of his being the product of his actions: ‘This venerable one is the doer of his actions, heir to his actions, born of his actions, related by his actions, and has his actions as his arbitrator. Whatever action he does, for good or for evil, to that will he fall heir.’ Thus the hatred for that individual should be subdued.

These are five ways of subduing hatred by which, when hatred arises in a monk, he should wipe it out completely.
Sariputta:
Āghāta­paṭivinaya Sutta (AN 5.162) wrote: There is the case where some people are impure in their bodily behavior & verbal behavior, and who do not periodically experience mental clarity & calm. Hatred for a person of this sort should also be subdued.
[...]
And as for a person who is impure in his bodily behavior & verbal behavior, and who does not periodically experience mental clarity & calm, how should one subdue hatred for him? Just as when there is a sick man—in pain, seriously ill—traveling along a road, far from the next village & far from the last, unable to get the food he needs, unable to get the medicine he needs, unable to get a suitable assistant, unable to get anyone to take him to human habitation. Now suppose another person were to see him coming along the road. He would do what he could out of compassion, pity, & sympathy for the man, thinking, ‘O that this man should get the food he needs, the medicine he needs, a suitable assistant, someone to take him to human habitation. Why is that? So that he won’t fall into ruin right here.’ In the same way, when a person is impure in his bodily behavior & verbal behavior, and who does not periodically experience mental clarity & calm, one should do what one can out of compassion, pity, & sympathy for him, thinking, ‘O that this man should abandon wrong bodily conduct and develop right bodily conduct, abandon wrong verbal conduct and develop right verbal conduct, abandon wrong mental conduct and develop right mental conduct. Why is that? So that, on the break-up of the body, after death, he won’t fall into the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, purgatory.’ Thus the hatred for him should be subdued.
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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by JeffR » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:18 am

alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:45 am


Note: Typed too fast. So edited. And, if someone is going to say, "Hey Alan, you are being judgmental", well, yes I am. And you should be to. We need a judgement on this Crazy Man. Smart people, I think, will judge him poorly.
Judgemental? Seems more like accurate observation to me.
Therein what are 'six (types of) disrespect'? One dwells without respect, without deference for the Teacher; one dwells without respect, without deference for the Teaching; one dwells without respect, without deference for the Order; one dwells without respect, without deference for the precepts; one dwells without respect, without deference for heedfulness; one dwells without respect, without deference for hospitality. These are six (types of) disrespect.
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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by DooDoot » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:19 am

alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
Here is why I hate Trump, and why you should, too.
Thanks for the invite.
alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
1) He refuses to recognize facts.
Trump de-escalated the human tragedy in Syria by stopping the funding & support by the US & its allies to ISIS & other international mercenaries & death squads. At least to non-Americans who care about Syria & humanity, Trump is the best president since 1993 . While Trump is now stuck with a US supported Kurdish dilemma (since Syrian Kurdistan supplies cheap oil to Israel), it looks like the Zionist Neo-Con agenda prior to & since 9/11 has failed or backfired, with the moderate Shia Islam (thankfully) dominating the region. While Trump dangles carrots like Jerusalem to the brethren of his son-in-law, such as Netanyahu (who slept in Kushner's bed), Trump actually has (via deed rather than words) contributed to world peace (unlike Obama, who spoke about loving Islam while murdering Muslims). Trump promised to stop the war in Syria and, to date, despite playing a few tricks like shooting 59 missiles, appears to have stopped the war in Syria (unless he clings rigidly to the spurious idea of a Syrian-Kurdistan, which I doubt he will; given Iraq-Shia just crushed the idea of Iraqi-Kurdistan; which the former ISIS-supplying Turks also oppose. Imagine US troops in combat with the Syrian military; against the wishes of Turkey & Iraq. That will look very stupid).
alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
2) He is living in his own, separate reality, in which only he is great--all others are wrong.
Since I was child, I was taught in my formal school education that most Americans live in their own separate reality. I suspect this might possibly be true since most Obama-Hillary supporters either did not know or turned a blind eye to the murdering of people that Obama-&-Hillary did outside of the USA.
alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
3)He is debasing, through his very presence, but also his "tweets", the Presidency.
Trump is obviously a reflection of a significant portion of American people, as was Obama-Hillary; a reflection of a people living in their own media & Hollywood created separate reality.
alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
4) He is a God Dam Crazy Man, a complete narcissist, and also a pathological liar.
And the previous president was not? :roll:
alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
In the early thirties, no one in Germany thought that God Dam Crazy Adolph would take over.
In the 1930s, Hitler received many international accolades & performed an economic miracle in Germany. Unfortunately, other issues lead him to get carried away, later, which was utterly catastrophic for Germany, its people & many other people in the world.
alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
But it happened. He started by appealing to the lowest class, relying on their prejudice, and saying the whole system is corrupt--only he could make Germany great again.
He appealed to the economic poverty of the German people & delivered on his promise (unlike Trump will deliver on his promises. If Trump loots the US Treasury, at least he stopped the murdering of Syrians & Iraqis by the US-Saudi-Alliance).
alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
Then, he took over the the opposition parties, and the press.
Yes, he probably banned the Communist Party & the Looting Party & took over the type of press that brainwashes the USA today; a type of press that nurtures the economic & moral decline of the USA. Unfortunately, Russia was taken over by Communists (aka Marxism), which gave Hitler the convenient excuse to start war against Russia (aka USSR).
alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
Sound familiar?
No. Trump might possibly turn out be a narcissist thief but Trump has actually deescalated the international wars fostered by Obama & Hillary. As for what is going on the USA, this is America. The Democrats lead the economic impoverishment of the US nation via their economic, trade & media deregulation & it is this betrayal by the Democrats that caused Trump to be elected (plus the Democrats were servants of Zionist foreign policy). Trump campaigned on making America economically great again & stopping the international wars. At least he might be (?) delivering the 2nd promise. It seems many of those who hate Trump aren't the Americans earning $8.50 per hour or dependent on food stamps & other charity. I heard today there was significance jobs growth in the USA for packing boxes for online retailers (like Amazon).
alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:45 am
Trump got his start by telling idiots and fools--there are way more of them than you might want to admit--that President Obama was not born in America. This is just so much obvious Bulsh*t.
Who is stupid enough to believe this complete Bulls*t?
There is the theory Obama's father was Frank Marshall Davis, a communist, family friend & mentor mentioned in Obama's own biography. At least this theory would agree Obama was born in Hawaii.

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alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:40 am
My friend, you know I am never shy. It is just what their donors wanted--tax cuts. Because that is all they ever want, and the Republican party exists for that reason alone. Tax cuts for the wealthy. Next up, they will complain about the deficit they have created, and use that as an excuse to cut social programs. Bet you I'm right.
Which donors & tax-cutters? The donors & tax-cutters of the Chosen People who Hitler despised? Please, make up your mind? :shrug:

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Pseudobabble » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:27 am

alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:45 am
Trump supporters. They are God Dam Stupid.

...

What is wrong with these people?
Because I think they must have some serious mental problems.

...

God Dam Crazy people
While I understand the concern, this attitude is part of the problem. You cannot persuade the others they are wrong by insulting them. You must recognise that something about Trump, or his campaign, really convinced a lot of people. You cannot just dismiss them as crazy - they have proven themselves undismissable, by electing Trump. More insults ('basket of deplorables', 'fly-over country', 'rednecks', 'neckbeards', 'alt-right') will simply calcify their opinion that you are too dissimilar from them to be reasoned with (the mirror of your opinion of them), and thus the problem is perpetuated. Potentially you will also drive those with Trump-leaning but less decided opinions toward him.

Besides, Trump is just a symptom - when your electoral system resembles a game show, your whole media a circus, and your economic participation model a robber baron's casino, is it surprising that a reality TV star got elected?

I won money on a bet that Trump would be elected 8-) People are too predictable.
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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Crazy cloud » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:37 am

alan wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am
First off, friends, I apologize for not getting into the other discussions on this. Makes me so sick. I had to take some time off.
Here is why I hate Trump, and why you should, too.
1) He refuses to recognize facts.
2) He is living in his own, separate reality, in which only he is great--all others are wrong.
3)He is debasing, through his very presence, but also his "tweets", the Presidency.
4) He is a God Dam Crazy Man, a complete narcissist, and also a pathological liar.
Trump is a perfect product out of a society that has gone bonkers (for a long time ..), and one can in my humble opinion also regard him a heavenly messenger ...

And hating just messes up one's own karma, so I prefer Trump just the way he are.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by retrofuturist » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:46 am

Greetings,
Pseudobabble wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:27 am
I won money on a bet that Trump would be elected 8-) People are too predictable.
Likewise. It's the only time I've ever bet any money on anything other than a few dollars on the Melbourne Cup horse race.

Metta,
Paul. :)
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