Buddhism and alcohol

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by dharmacorps » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:24 pm

You can keep bemoaning your situation here and making excuses, or get help outside yourself.

Your way of doing things has not worked. And it isn't working now.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:51 pm

dharmacorps wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:00 pm
I'm sorry if this isn't well received Oncereturner, but looking to girlfriends or old relationships to help you get sober is not going to help you. In fact, it will hurt you. This person is an added stressor in your life and is going to make things far far worse, regardless of how good of a person she is.

Please take advantage of us here on this forum who have been down this road and save yourself some needless suffering-- go to a AA meeting and swallow your pride. The people in those rooms know how to help you solve your problem and have done it.

You have a situation now where you can choose further alcoholic torture, or the possibility of making a real change. Any hope from this rekindling the old relationship will fade, and probably destroy any relationship you have with her because you are still actively in addiction. Seen it innumerable times.
This old relationship doesn't work Sir, exactly as you said. Thank you for the warning. She played her old foolish games with me. I got very angry, drunk and smashed my TV with a wrench. Finally it is over. Next day I was late 4 hours at my workplace, with a serious hangover. I wonder i still have a job.
Today evening I will go to a piano concert, if I can still walk.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by Pseudobabble » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:43 pm

oncereturner wrote:...
My friend,

I sympathise - my mother was an alcoholic, and the end result was death, not a nice way either. Please leave your present pattern - go somewhere else, meet different people. Bodom's suggestions are excellent, and I would like to add: present behavioural patterns are held in place by all the other patterns in your life. It can help you to shake loose present patterns to be in a different location, or around different people, or doing different things. For me, going to a new place always helps to break patterns. Perhaps you could stay at a monastery. Please PM me if you feel like it.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:47 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:43 pm
oncereturner wrote:...
My friend,

I sympathise - my mother was an alcoholic, and the end result was death, not a nice way either. Please leave your present pattern - go somewhere else, meet different people. Bodom's suggestions are excellent, and I would like to add: present behavioural patterns are held in place by all the other patterns in your life. It can help you to shake loose present patterns to be in a different location, or around different people, or doing different things. For me, going to a new place always helps to break patterns. Perhaps you could stay at a monastery. Please PM me if you feel like it.
My grandfather also died from alcohol addiction. My father is an alcoholic too, as far as I know, he still lives, but he was in a very bad condition 15 years ago, so I'm not sure that he is still alive.

I still thinking about Bodom's suggestions, and it's very clear to me that I must to go rehab. It's likely that his comments will save my life. I may lose my job, but I don't like it anyway. If I don't drink I have horrible withdrawal symptoms. I don't create more excuses. It's clear that I will die too, maybe next year, if I don't stop. I go to rehab.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by Garrib » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:56 am

oncereturner wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:47 am
I go to rehab.
:bow:

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by bodom » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:32 am

oncereturner wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:47 am
Pseudobabble wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:43 pm
oncereturner wrote:...
My friend,

I sympathise - my mother was an alcoholic, and the end result was death, not a nice way either. Please leave your present pattern - go somewhere else, meet different people. Bodom's suggestions are excellent, and I would like to add: present behavioural patterns are held in place by all the other patterns in your life. It can help you to shake loose present patterns to be in a different location, or around different people, or doing different things. For me, going to a new place always helps to break patterns. Perhaps you could stay at a monastery. Please PM me if you feel like it.
My grandfather also died from alcohol addiction. My father is an alcoholic too, as far as I know, he still lives, but he was in a very bad condition 15 years ago, so I'm not sure that he is still alive.

I still thinking about Bodom's suggestions, and it's very clear to me that I must to go rehab. It's likely that his comments will save my life. I may lose my job, but I don't like it anyway. If I don't drink I have horrible withdrawal symptoms. I don't create more excuses. It's clear that I will die too, maybe next year, if I don't stop. I go to rehab.
So happy for you! A life you never thought possible, a freedom you never thought possible, waits for you on the other side. Please stay in touch to let us know your progress.

:namaste:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
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"Dont send the mind outside. Watch the mind right at the mind."

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:55 pm

bodom wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:50 pm

Can you get into a detox facility?
No, the medical system in my country is much more underdeveloped compared to the US. I was in detox once, but they let me go next day. They accept people only with alcohol poisoning, and when they get sober, they can go out.

Going to rehab is not easy too. I can't just go there without a referral. I booked an appointment to my doctor for January. Then maybe he can give me a referral to a hospital, and from the hospital I can get into the rehab with another referral.

I have another idea. I had pancreas failure last year, and I feel a little pain sometimes in my pancreas again. Actually I don't feel pain right now, but I will tell the doctor so. I feel constant pain in my kidney, which is true. I will go to the surgery, and the doctor will send me into a hospital (with a referral), where they can examine my pancreas and liver. This will be the "detox".
Then I go right into the psychiatric hospital, from where the doctor can send me to the rehab.

Despite the complicated procedures, I will go into psychiatric hospital or rehab.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:58 pm

Greetings,
oncereturner wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:55 pm
Despite the complicated procedures, I will go into psychiatric hospital or rehab.
I respect your determination... It will serve you well.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:24 am

I'm still hesitating and confused.

Going to hospital at Christmas is horrible feeling, and I'm very scared of going to hospital. They will push pins into my skin, taking blood and other painful examinations. I feel it's shame.
I feel comfortable with my job. I suffer and feel pain all over my body, due to my addiction.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:08 am

oncereturner wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:24 am
I'm still hesitating and confused.

Going to hospital at Christmas is horrible feeling, and I'm very scared of going to hospital. They will push pins into my skin, taking blood and other painful examinations. I feel it's shame.
I feel comfortable with my job. I suffer and feel pain all over my body, due to my addiction.
Just go. A little pain now vs a lifetime of pain otherwise. It's a simple choice.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by binocular » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:49 pm

oncereturner wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:24 am
I'm still hesitating and confused.

Going to hospital at Christmas is horrible feeling, and I'm very scared of going to hospital. They will push pins into my skin, taking blood and other painful examinations. I feel it's shame.
I feel comfortable with my job. I suffer and feel pain all over my body, due to my addiction.
If going to the hospital over the holidays means that you won't miss out on work, then that is so much better!

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by dharmacorps » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:16 pm

oncereturner wrote:
Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:24 am
I'm still hesitating and confused.

Going to hospital at Christmas is horrible feeling, and I'm very scared of going to hospital. They will push pins into my skin, taking blood and other painful examinations. I feel it's shame.
I feel comfortable with my job. I suffer and feel pain all over my body, due to my addiction.
The suffering at the hospital will be nothing compared to the suffering of further alcoholic torture. If you continue to drink you are garunteeing yourself a lot more time in the hospital. You are actually saving yourself pain. Don't be afraid, taking this step is one you will not regret.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:37 am

Another total failure.

Instead going to the hospital, I decided to go to a company Christmas party. I got totally drunk for free.
I kissed and embraced beautiful girls, I danced with them, At last... . One of them was a beautiful blonde. This is a thing I could never imagine that could happen to me. I said to her that she is beautiful (and maybe I said that I love her).

Another girl said that she likes the same rap music I like. My craving (tahna) is on the higher level.

I guess I am lost in samsara.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by retrofuturist » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:40 am

Greetings,

The hospital is still there...

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by Pseudobabble » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:36 am

oncereturner wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:37 am
Another total failure.

Instead going to the hospital, I decided to go to a company Christmas party. I got totally drunk for free.
I kissed and embraced beautiful girls, I danced with them, At last... . One of them was a beautiful blonde. This is a thing I could never imagine that could happen to me. I said to her that she is beautiful (and maybe I said that I love her).

Another girl said that she likes the same rap music I like. My craving (tahna) is on the higher level.

I guess I am lost in samsara.
Fail.

Try again.

Fail.

Try again.

Fail.

Try again.

...

As long as the desire to get better does not leave your deepest heart, keep going.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:11 am

oncereturner wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:18 am
In my country, the state financialized (free) medical service is a catastrophe. Doctor said he can not help me. I will seek for a private doctor. It's a lot of money, but I think it worth it. Alcohol is a lot more money and disaster.

I saw a hospital, full of alcohol addicts, and the smell was unbearable. These people can't even have hygiene. The leader doctor of the restricted class, when I spent 2 days, recommended this hospital, but I refused to go there.
Have you considered going to Austria? Your westerly neighbours have an excellent state health service, coming in 9th place in the World Health Organization's ranking of national healthcare systems, while Hungary ranks a miserable 66th.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by binocular » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:37 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:11 am
Have you considered going to Austria? Your westerly neighbours have an excellent state health service, coming in 9th place in the World Health Organization's ranking of national healthcare systems, while Hungary ranks a miserable 66th.
As far as I know, one has to be an Austrian citizen in order to be able to utilize their health care system through regular insurance. Merely being a citizen of one of the EU states is not enough.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:40 am

bodom wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:32 am

So happy for you! A life you never thought possible, a freedom you never thought possible, waits for you on the other side. Please stay in touch to let us know your progress.

:namaste:
I remember that I never drank (only occasionally) before the age of 28. I hated alcohol. I liked sports and promoted healthy lifestyle. I also remember that I suffered from depression and anxiety without alcohol and benzo all my life. I suffered from craving (tanha) to women. I can recall, I planned to commit suicide if I don't have a girl 15 years ago. I wrote down all my sufferings in hundreds of pages and I can read them anytime. Then finally I had a girl and I was happy.

This year in the hospital it turned out, that I have mental illness (personality disorder, schizo, social anxiety, OCD), and secondary alcohol addiction. Indeed I try to cure myself with this poison.

My doctor prescribes me a lot of benzos, despite he knows that I'm an alcoholic. I guess he is undereducated.

Now I'm 36 and suffer a lot more from my addiction. I have a lot of alcoholic friends. I am suffering from tanha (craving) for women as always. I must stop, but I don't have time and energy for long procedures to get into rehab. Alcohol robs all my energy.

In my final desperation I plan to call the ambulance and the police, and I will tell them that I have suicidal fantasies (which is not true). In this case they will carry me to the mental hospital for sure in 10 minutes.

Then I need to cure my mental illness and find a woman.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by oncereturner » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:09 pm

Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:11 am
Have you considered going to Austria? Your westerly neighbours have an excellent state health service, coming in 9th place in the World Health Organization's ranking of national healthcare systems, while Hungary ranks a miserable 66th.
Venerable Sir, you'd better not to be sick in Hungary, because doctors will let you die. I experienced this, and I heard a lot of horrifying stories from my friends. One of my best friend nearly died in the hospital due to the miserable health system. Other patients called for doctor, because they have seen that he will die. In the final moment he had a surgery operation. He needs another operation, but he just can't enter the hospital due to complicated procedures. I just hope he will survive this, because I don't want to lose him.

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Re: Buddhism and alcohol

Post by binocular » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:32 pm

oncereturner wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:09 pm
Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:11 am
Have you considered going to Austria?
Venerable Sir, you'd better not to be sick in Hungary, because doctors will let you die.
But can you go to another (EU) country and get treatment there?

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