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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:05 am

SarathW wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:48 am
What is it about Buddhist Tantra that scares them so much?
I spent a little bit of time to understand the practice of Tantra but not with much success.
Is Tantra something Buddha taught?
Is it talking about Four Noble Truths and Noble Eightfold Path?
Basically how Tantra differ from Theravada?
"This body comes into being through sexual intercourse. Sexual intercourse is to be abandoned. With regard to sexual intercourse, the Buddha declares the cutting off of the bridge.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

if someone wouldn't mind clarifying 'connections to other paths'; does a link have to be demonstrated between the topic and theravada buddhism, or is this basically a mahayana sub-forum?

that was going to be my response on that recently locked thread so just gonna put it here
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Re: theravada

Post by Sam Vara » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:20 am

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
I've never seen it as anything other than the above sub-heading. I would have thought that if the link with Theravada isn't immediately apparent, it would clarify matters if the OP made it so. As you can see from the list of threads, it is about far more than Mahayana.

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Re: theravada

Post by mikenz66 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:28 am

Hi Dhammarakkhito,

Please refer to this topic:

Tantric Theravada? viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10503
Started in 2012 by Venerable Gavesako, a bhikkhu in the Ajahn Chah tradition.

There are references to several books and articles about various influences on practices in SE Asia.

One may, of course, not be interested in these things, think that they are irrelevant and/or think that they should not exist in Theravada Buddhism. However, they obviously have an influence on some Theravada Buddhists in SE Asia. Many Wats in Thailand, for example, sell amulets that have been blessed by famous monks. And some of the articles point out the magical influences in the teachings of some famous Thai Ajahns.

If you are not interested in those threads, I suggest that you ignore them.

In particular, it would be good to not keep bringing up this idea that tantra is all about sex. I understand that there are some such practices, but they have nothing to do with the thread I mentioned above.

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Re: theravada

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:30 am

Greetings D,
mikenz66 wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:28 am
If you are not interested in those threads, I suggest that you ignore them.
And if you need us to complement your sense restraint by turning the Connections section off for you, just ask.

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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:36 am

ok, no, i didnt see that but then it may not be clear to others that a link is to be drawn between traditions
so, for the 'tantric theravada' there was at least an attempt
this other thread was very sloppy and full of tos violations
my opinion about tantra is separate from this matter
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Re: theravada

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:39 am

has nothing to do with sex or the sex is interpreted as not being sex? or sex without attachment?
since we're here and all and that is a big thread
"Just as the ocean has a single taste — that of salt — in the same way, this Dhamma-Vinaya has a single taste: that of release."
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Re: theravada

Post by mikenz66 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:41 am

Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:39 am
has nothing to do with sex or the sex is interpreted as not being sex? or sex without attachment?
since we're here and all and that is a big thread
Have you actually read the thread that I linked to? It has nothing to do with sex, unless I missed splitting out some of the recent posts.

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Post by Dhammarakkhito » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:45 am

no and i more than likely will not, which is why i asked here
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Re: theravada

Post by Grigoris » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:49 am

Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:45 am
no and i more than likely will not
Now that is a good attitude! :tongue:
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.

Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.

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Re: theravada

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:51 am

Greetings,
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:49 am
Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:45 am
no and i more than likely will not
Now that is a good attitude! :tongue:
If it's for the purposes of sense restraint, it's a very good attitude, in Theravada.

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Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: theravada

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:52 am

i mean, if there is something else called tantra that doesnt have to do with sex then i'm still not really interested, not enough to read thru several pages
i had a vajrayana friend explain it to me and he said it was having sex with someone but acting like they are a deity

edit: that friend actually did say that it was not having sex, but what he described was sex, did not wish to misrepresent him
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Re: theravada

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:54 am

Greetings Dhammarakkhito,

Have your questions been answered now?

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: theravada

Post by Grigoris » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:56 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:51 am
Greetings,
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:49 am
Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:45 am
no and i more than likely will not
Now that is a good attitude! :tongue:
If it's for the purposes of sense restraint, it's a very good attitude, in Theravada.

:focus:

Metta,
Paul. :)
Somehow I don't think the Buddha considered refusing to overcome one's ignorance as an instance of sense restraint.
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.

Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.

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Re: theravada

Post by Sam Vara » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:57 am

Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:52 am
i had a vajrayana friend explain it to me and he said it was having sex with someone but acting like they are a deity
Are you sure you are talking about Tantra? My wife tells me this is how I should view our marriage... :tongue:

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Re: theravada

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:58 am

Greetings Grigoris,
Grigoris wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:56 am
Somehow I don't think the Buddha considered refusing to overcome one's ignorance as an instance of sense restraint.
One doesn't need to know everything about every topic in order to become an arahant.

The Buddha didn't know about computers or inter-continental ballistic missiles, but that didn't stop him.

:focus:

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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