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Re: ban heretics

Post by JamesTheGiant » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:47 pm

Circle5 wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:43 am
...here...
Thanks! Interesting.
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Re: ban heretics

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:15 pm

JamesTheGiant wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:47 pm
Circle5 wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:43 am
...here...
Thanks! Interesting.
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Re: ban heretics

Post by binocular » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:28 am

You know how should be banned? Bleedinghearts.

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Re: ban heretics

Post by DooDoot » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:09 am

Circle5 wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:43 am
B.Bodhi criticism of this, only famous bhikkhu who bothered adressing this small sect:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4791
(at the bottom of first page)
B.Bodhi can criticise & is entitled to his opinion but this does not mean B.Bodhi is correct.
dylanj wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:46 pm
very well-said & i like the distinction of existentialist buddhism...
The defilements of the untrained mind "liked" the post & believe the post was "well-said"? The post was another example of brain-damaged fundamentalism.

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Re: ban heretics

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:30 am

Dhammacariya Sutta: Wrong Conduct

"The practice of Dhamma, the practice of continence, mastery of this is said to be best if a person has gone forth from home to the homeless life. But if he is garrulous and, like a brute, delights in hurting others, his life is evil and his impurity increases.

"A quarrelsome bhikkhu shrouded by delusion, does not comprehend the Dhamma taught by the Awakened One when it is revealed. Annoying those practiced in meditation, being led by ignorance, he is not aware that his defiled path leads to Niraya-hell. Falling headlong, passing from womb to womb, from darkness to (greater) darkness, such a bhikkhu undergoes suffering hereafter for certain.

"As a cesspool filled over a number of years is difficult to clean, similarly, whoever is full of impurity is difficult to make pure. Whoever you know to be such, bhikkhus, bent on worldliness, having wrong desires, wrong thoughts, wrong behavior and resort, being completely united avoid him, sweep him out like dirt, remove him like rubbish. Winnow like chaff the non-recluses. Having ejected those of wrong desires, of wrong behavior and resort, be pure and mindful, dwelling with those who are pure. Being united and prudent you will make an end to suffering."
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Re: ban heretics

Post by DooDoot » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:38 am

rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:30 am
Dhammacariya Sutta: Wrong Conduct

"The practice of Dhamma, the practice of continence, mastery of this is said to be best if a person has gone forth from home to the homeless life. But if he is garrulous and, like a brute, delights in hurting others, his life is evil and his impurity increases.

"A quarrelsome bhikkhu shrouded by delusion, does not comprehend the Dhamma taught by the Awakened One when it is revealed. Annoying those practiced in meditation, being led by ignorance, he is not aware that his defiled path leads to Niraya-hell. Falling headlong, passing from womb to womb, from darkness to (greater) darkness, such a bhikkhu undergoes suffering hereafter for certain.

"As a cesspool filled over a number of years is difficult to clean, similarly, whoever is full of impurity is difficult to make pure. Whoever you know to be such, bhikkhus, bent on worldliness, having wrong desires, wrong thoughts, wrong behavior and resort, being completely united avoid him, sweep him out like dirt, remove him like rubbish. Winnow like chaff the non-recluses. Having ejected those of wrong desires, of wrong behavior and resort, be pure and mindful, dwelling with those who are pure. Being united and prudent you will make an end to suffering."
The above quote, used by an impure mind, dirties the mind because the impure mind takes on or absorbs (paṭilābho) what is in the quote. Thus, the Buddha declared only He & others like Him are fit to judge others. Jesus once said to his followers:
You are like children who have settled into a field that is not your own. When you get over your wine, you will repent.
Quoting the Buddha does not make us a Buddha.

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Re: ban heretics

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:44 am

More on the dangers
KOKALIYASUTTA
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Brahma Sahampati said this to Bhagava(Lord Buddha) : "O you Lord, Kokaliya, the Bhikkhu(Monk), is dead; and after death, O you Lord, the Bhikkhu(Monk) Kokaliya is gone to the Paduma hell, having shown a hostile mind against Sariputta and Moggallana." This said Brahma Sahampati, O Bhikkhus, and having said this and saluted me, and walked round me towards the right, he disappeared there.'

When this had been said, a Bhikkhu(Monk) asked Bhagava(Lord Buddha) : 'How long is the rate of life, O Lord, in the Paduma hell?'

'Long, O Bhikkhu(Monk), is the rate of life in the Paduma hell, it is not easy to calculate either (by saying) so many years or so many hundreds of years or so many thousands of years or so many hundred thousands of years.'

'But it is possible, I suppose, to make a comparison, O you Lord?'

'It is possible, O Bhikkhu(Monk);' so saying, Bhagava(Lord Buddha) spoke (as follows):

'Even as, O Bhikkhu(Monk), (if there were) a Kosala load of sesamum seed containing twenty kharis, and a man after the lapse of every hundred years were to take from it one sesamum seed at a time, then that Kosala load of sesamum seed, containing twenty kharis, would, O Bhikkhu(Monk), sooner by this means dwindle away and be used up than one Abbuda hell; and even as are twenty Abbuda hells, O Bhikkhu(Monk), so is one Nirabbuda hell; and even as are twenty Nirabbuda hells, O Bhikkhu(Monk), so is one Ababa hell; and even as are twenty Ababa hells, O Bhikkhu(Monk), so is one Ahaha hell; and even as are twenty Ahaha hells, O Bhikkhu(Monk), so is one Atata hell; and even as are twenty Atata hells, O Bhikkhu(Monk), so is one Kumuda hell; and even as are twenty Kumuda hells, O Bhikkhu(Monk), so is one Sogandhika hell; and even as are twenty Sogandhika hells, O Bhikkhu(Monk), so is one Uppalaka hell; and even as are twenty Uppalaka hells, O Bhikkhu(Monk), so is one Pundarika hell; and even as are twenty Pundarika hells, O Bhikkhu(Monk), so is one Paduma hell; and to the Paduma hell, O Bhikkhu(Monk), the Bhikkhu(Monk) Kokaliya is gone, having shown a hostile mind against Sariputta and Moggallana.' This said Bhagava(Lord Buddha) , and having said this Sugata, the Master, furthermore spoke as follows:

1. 'To (every) man that is born, an axe is born in his mouth, by which the fool cuts himself, when speaking bad language. (662)

2. 'He who praises him who is to be blamed or blames him who as to be praised, gathers up sin in his mouth, and through that (sin) he will not find any joy. (663)

3. 'Trifling is the sin that (consists in) losing riches by dice; this is a greater sin that corrupts the mind against Sugatas. (664)

4. 'Out of the one hundred thousand Nirabbudas (he goes) to thirty-six, and to five Abbudas; because he blames an Ariya(arahat, enlightened) he goes to hell, having employed his speech and mind badly. (665)

5. 'He who speaks falsely goes to hell, or he who having done something says, "I have not done it;" both these after death become equal, in another world (they are both) men guilty of a mean deed. (666)

6. 'He who offends an offenceless man, a pure man, free from sin, such a fool the evil (deed) reverts against, like fine dust thrown against the wind. (667)

7. 'He who is given to the quality of covetousness, such a one censures others in his speech, (being himself) unbelieving, stingy, wanting in affability, niggardly, given to backbiting. (668)

8. 'O you foul-mouthed, false, ignoble, blasting, wicked, evil-doing, low, sinful, base-born man, do not be garrulous in this world, (else) you will be an inhabitant of hell. (669)

9. 'You spread pollution to the misfortune (of others), you revile the just, committing sin (yourself), and having done many evil deeds you will go to the pool (of hell) for a long time. (670)

10. 'For one's deeds are not lost, they will surely come (back to you), (their) master will meet with them, the fool who commits sin will feel the pain in himself in the other world. (671)

11. 'To the place where one is struck with iron rods, to the iron stake with sharp edges he goes; then there is (for him) food as appropriate, resembling a red-hot ball of iron. (672)

12. 'For those who have anything to say (there) do not say fine things, they do not approach (with pleasing faces); they do not find refuge (from their sufferings), they lie on spread embers, they enter a blazing pyre. (673)

13. 'Covering (them) with a net they kill (them) there with iron hammers; they go to dense darkness, for that is spread out like the body of the earth. (674)

14. 'Then (they enter) an iron pot, they enter a blazing pyre, for they are boiled in those (iron pots) for a long time, jumping up and down in the pyre. (675)

15. 'Then he who commits sin is surely boiled in a mixture of matter and blood; whatever quarter he inhabits, he becomes rotten there from coming in contact (with matter and blood). (676)

16. 'He who commits sin will surely be boiled in the water, the dwelling-place of worms; there it is not (possible) to get to the shore, for the jars (are) exactly alike. (?) (677)

17. 'Again they enter the sharp Asipattavana with mangled limbs; having seized the tongue with a hook, the different watchmen (of hell) kill (them). (678)

18. 'Then they enter Vetarani, that is difficult to cross and has got streams of razors with sharp edges; there the fools fall in, the evil-doers after having done evil. (679)

19. 'There black, mottled flocks of ravens eat them who are weeping, and dogs, jackals, great vultures, falcons, crows tear (them). (680)

20. 'Miserable indeed is the life here (in hell) which the man sees that commits sin. Therefore should a man in this world for the rest of his life be strenuous, and not indolent. (681)

21. 'Those loads of sesamum seed which are carried in Paduma hell have been counted by the wise, they are (several) nahutas and five kotis, and twelve hundred kotis besides. (682)

22. 'As long as hells are called painful in this world, so long people will have to live there for a long time; therefore amongst those who have pure, amiable, and good qualities one should always guard speech and mind.' (683)

Kokaliyasutta is ended.
Seems fair enough to me... Let heretics do as they please imo, proclaim fake sutta, slander and revile whoever they please for all good people can do is warn them. We all shall die here and be met by our deeds, In kamma we trust.
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Re: ban heretics

Post by DooDoot » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:52 am

More on the heavens, leading to a radiant complexion, heart & mind: :meditate:
There is the case where an individual, withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful qualities, enters & remains in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born from [mental] seclusion [from the five hindrances]...
Sāriputta, your faculties are so very clear, and your complexion is pure and bright. What kind of meditation are you usually practicing these days? Sir, these days I usually practice the meditation on emptiness. Good, good, Sāriputta! It seems you usually practice the meditation of a great man. For emptiness is the meditation of a great man.
So this holy life, bhikkhus, does not have gain, honour, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of virtue for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakeable deliverance of mind that is the goal of this holy life, its heartwood, and its end.
:smile: :anjali: :bow: :heart:
In the course of the future there will be monks who won't listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. They won't lend ear, won't set their hearts on knowing them, won't regard these teachings as worth grasping or mastering. But they will listen when discourses that are literary works — the works of poets, elegant in sound, elegant in rhetoric, the work of outsiders, words of disciples — are recited. They will lend ear and set their hearts on knowing them. They will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.

In this way the disappearance of the discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — will come about.

Thus you should train yourselves: 'We will listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. We will lend ear, will set our hearts on knowing them, will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.' That's how you should train yourselves."

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Re: ban heretics

Post by rightviewftw » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:33 am

I am pretty sure mods would have to self-ban if heresy was to be removed as i am pretty sure they are not all attained to view.
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Re: ban heretics

Post by Justsit » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:29 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:33 am
...they are not all attained to view.
Are you attained to view?

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Re: ban heretics

Post by rightviewftw » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:37 pm

Justsit wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:29 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:33 am
...they are not all attained to view.
Are you attained to view?
Don't ask me that, i am sure bunch of people will happily comment on this for you.
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How to Meditate: Satipatthana Mahasi
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Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
Dhammatalks categorized by topic @ video.sirimangalo.org/
Ledi Sayadaw's Anapana Dipani (Samatha) @ ffmt.fr/articles/maitres/LediS/anapana-dipani.ledi-sayadaw.pdf
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Re: ban heretics

Post by Justsit » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:41 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:37 pm
Justsit wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:29 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:33 am
...they are not all attained to view.
Are you attained to view?
Don't ask me that, i am sure bunch of people will happily comment on this for you.
A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Re: ban heretics

Post by binocular » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:27 pm

The solution to the problem of heresy is simple enough:

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Suitable for men with ties, too.

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Re: ban heretics

Post by Justsit » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:16 pm

Justsit wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:41 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:37 pm
Justsit wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:29 pm

Are you attained to view?
Don't ask me that, i am sure bunch of people will happily comment on this for you.
A simple yes or no will suffice.
Still no response?

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