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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by SarathW » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:04 am

Mr Man wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:03 am
Hi SarathW
SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:30 am
The request for diversity and representation (women etc.) is a damaging trend.
This is a sign that we are living in morally bankrupt society.
Why do you say this SarathW?
SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:30 am
The discussion about women are heavily censored and people are frightened to make their opinion.
I guess we must tread carfully here as we need to remain within the Terms of Service of Dhamma Wheel (Badmouthing Buddhist discussion forums) but why do you say the "discussion about women are heavily censored". The furum is certainly moderated but "heavily censored"? And who is "frightened make their opinion"?
What I am saying is try to point out the problem without trying to make it to a gender or color issue etc.
I am all for people fighting for a fair go. But highlight the discrimination not the division.
For instance, can someone tell me what is the problem of present moderators in DW.
I am not trying to defend the moderators here, but I fail to see the problem.
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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by Cittasanto » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:46 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:04 am
but I fail to see the problem.
Me too.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by lyndon taylor » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:49 am

The right wing posters never see a problem with the moderation.....
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by Pseudobabble » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:36 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:49 am
The right wing posters never see a problem with the moderation.....
What's the problem Lyndon?
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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by No_Mind » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:48 pm

SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:30 am

By the way why do you think we need diversity in DW?
Have you ever encountered for the necessity for that.
I never felt that I was discriminated here because I am a black or Asian.
Hi Sarath. I wrote the OP as a bit of a joke. Not seriously at all. But it became a huge topic of discussion much to my surprise :lol:

I was unfairly punished by DW Mod/Admin for not being liberal enough previously. Not by Paul.

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by Cittasanto » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:49 am
The right wing posters never see a problem with the moderation.....
Firstly I'm not right wing.
Secondly you haven't spelt out any actual issues.
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.

He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by Goofaholix » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:15 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:49 am
The right wing posters never see a problem with the moderation.....
Isn't that to be expected though, the liberalism is for progressive change, conservatism for preserving the status quo.
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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by Mr Man » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:29 pm

SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:04 am
Mr Man wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:03 am
Hi SarathW
SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:30 am
The request for diversity and representation (women etc.) is a damaging trend.
This is a sign that we are living in morally bankrupt society.
Why do you say this SarathW?
SarathW wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:30 am
The discussion about women are heavily censored and people are frightened to make their opinion.
I guess we must tread carfully here as we need to remain within the Terms of Service of Dhamma Wheel (Badmouthing Buddhist discussion forums) but why do you say the "discussion about women are heavily censored". The furum is certainly moderated but "heavily censored"? And who is "frightened make their opinion"?
What I am saying is try to point out the problem without trying to make it to a gender or color issue etc.
I am all for people fighting for a fair go. But highlight the discrimination not the division.
For instance, can someone tell me what is the problem of present moderators in DW.
I am not trying to defend the moderators here, but I fail to see the problem.
Hi SarathW
I presumed the comment, in bold, above went beyond the boundary of this forum.

If there is a problem with sexism gender is relevant. If there is a problem of racism colour is relevant. If there is a problem of political bias then political viewpoint is relevant.

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by Mr Man » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:32 pm

No_Mind wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:48 pm

I was unfairly punished by DW Mod/Admin for not being liberal enough previously.
Hi No_Mind

You were punished for not being liberal enough? What do you mean?

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by lyndon taylor » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:11 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:36 pm
lyndon taylor wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:49 am
The right wing posters never see a problem with the moderation.....
What's the problem Lyndon?
Have you noticed left wing posters like L.N. and Alan disappearing from the forum, I don't think that's a coincidence.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by No_Mind » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:14 pm

Mr Man wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:32 pm
No_Mind wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:48 pm

I was unfairly punished by DW Mod/Admin for not being liberal enough previously.
Hi No_Mind

You were punished for not being liberal enough? What do you mean?
I was banned for a month and no reasons were given. I have to take it that my general lack of sympathy for transgenders had something to do with it .. things like asking them to run few miles and take a cold bath in a thread.

I have no wish to get into that old argument. Since that thread I have become more tolerant of transpeople and would not insult them but waiting for more and authentic scientific research before I buy their story .. and till that time ignore them

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by Mr Man » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:19 pm

No_Mind wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:14 pm
Mr Man wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:32 pm
No_Mind wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:48 pm

I was unfairly punished by DW Mod/Admin for not being liberal enough previously.
Hi No_Mind

You were punished for not being liberal enough? What do you mean?
I was banned for a month and no reasons were given. I have to take it that my general lack of sympathy for transgenders had something to do with it .. things like asking them to run few miles and take a cold bath in a thread.

I have no wish to get into that old argument. Since that thread I have become more tolerant of transpeople and would not insult them but waiting for more and authentic scientific research before I buy their story .. and till that time ignore them

:namaste:
Okay. Thanks No_Mind.

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by Pseudobabble » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:14 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:11 pm
Pseudobabble wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:36 pm
lyndon taylor wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:49 am
The right wing posters never see a problem with the moderation.....
What's the problem Lyndon?
Have you noticed left wing posters like L.N. and Alan disappearing from the forum, I don't think that's a coincidence.
I had, and had presumed they contravened the TOS and were temporarily/permanently banned... Do you know differently?
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"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by binocular » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:31 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:52 pm
Its sad that you see it that way, and reflects how some people are not made welcome, the Dhamma at its heart is quite simple
Feel free to become enlightened.
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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by lyndon taylor » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:06 pm

binocular wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:31 pm
lyndon taylor wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:52 pm
Its sad that you see it that way, and reflects how some people are not made welcome, the Dhamma at its heart is quite simple
Feel free to become enlightened.
:woohoo:


Is this your idea of a Buddhist insult??
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by Sam Vara » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:14 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:11 pm

Have you noticed left wing posters like L.N. and Alan disappearing from the forum, I don't think that's a coincidence.
Alan tends to post intermittently, and was posting just a couple of days ago. Sometimes, things aren't as bad as we think they are.

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by binocular » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:18 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:06 pm
Is this your idea of a Buddhist insult??
So you're not into enlightenment and all that stuff?

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by Coëmgenu » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:23 pm

Meezer77 wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:01 pm
Coëmgenu wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:45 am
No_Mind wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:47 am
maybe DW needs some diversity
This is a scary trigger word for many people: diversity.
How so?
Some time I will innocently work the word "diversity" into a post in a specific way, just the word itself, completely innocuously and apolitically, then I will PM you. We will see how many people are triggered by something utterly non-triggering.

Being triggered transcends political divisions. I can think of various talking heads on stations like Fox News who are constantly triggered about something. I wouldn't say its just a liberal thing, though young ideological liberal university students are most famous for becoming "triggered" for certain, and afaik invented the term's current usage.

"Triggered" used to refer to triggered flashbacks of extreme trauma, like an assault or a rape.

Now it seems to refer to "being upset".
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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by lyndon taylor » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:40 pm

binocular wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:18 pm
lyndon taylor wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:06 pm
Is this your idea of a Buddhist insult??
So you're not into enlightenment and all that stuff?
No, I'm not into the idea that enlightenment or the forum has to be complex and is outside the ability of simple monks.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Diversity among mods

Post by binocular » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:41 pm

Coëmgenu wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:23 pm
Some time I will innocently work the word "diversity" into a post in a specific way
Diversity of hedge fund investments.

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