Just a thought - should vipassana & samatha be separate boards on here

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Just a thought - should vipassana & samatha be separate boards on here

Post by dylanj » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:35 pm

Personally I am of the opinion that the more the connection between these two aspects of meditation is emphasized, the better people's practice will be.
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all assets, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Just a thought - should vipassana & samatha be separate boards on here

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:47 pm

Greetings,

I agree - in practice, they are like two wings of a bird.

That said, two wings are two discrete wings, not one. Therefore maybe there is value in being able to inspect and understand each one separately, so that they may then be conjoined in practice?

Let's see what others think... but keep in mind that the current structure is based on the outcomes of many such discussions over the years.

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Paul. :)
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Re: Just a thought - should vipassana & samatha be separate boards on here

Post by mikenz66 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:01 am

HI maranadhammlmhi,
maranadhammomhi wrote:Personally I am of the opinion that the more the connection between these two aspects of meditation is emphasized, the better people's practice will be.
There are a variety of views on this, as there are on many aspects of practice and doctrine. Some consider that the development of samatha and vipassana is best carried out by quite different practices. Others, like you, have a different opinion.

The current structure should allow members to discuss these various approaches (development separately or in tandem) in the most effective way that they see fit. It was not designed to favour any particular approach. If you think that the structure prevents those who want to develop the two aspects in tandem from having an effective discussion, then it would be helpful to suggest how it could be improved.

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Re: Just a thought - should vipassana & samatha be separate boards on here

Post by cjmacie » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:56 pm

Emphasizing such conceptual distinctions does stimulate more discussion, runs off more easily into proliferating scwabbles, perhaps more attractive for those trolling for excitement, but more often than not in a direction away from quality considerations of dhamma. :shrug:

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