What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

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What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby SarathW » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:47 pm

We have seen many Dhamma discussion groups and websites shut down after some time.
This can be a great loss to the Dhamma community.
Closure of access to insight is a good example. Thankfully the owner was kind enough to leave it as a open source.
What is the future of Dhamma Wheel.
Will one day we wake up and all Kalyanamittas disappeared without a trace?

http://www.lionsroar.com/after-ten-year ... huts-down/
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:20 am

Greetings Sarath,

David has every intention to keep the forum running as long as possible, and if/when he's unable to do so in the future for any reason "the plan is to place DW in a non-profit with a board of directors and where costs for maintaining the site would have to come from members".

Metta,
Paul. :)
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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby Kim OHara » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:09 am

:bow:

Thanks again, David!

:namaste:
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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby SarathW » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:58 pm

I asked a similar question in Sutta Central.
Interesting discussion so far.

https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/wh ... al/3835/14
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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby dhammarelax » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:02 pm

SarathW wrote:We have seen many Dhamma discussion groups and websites shut down after some time.
This can be a great loss to the Dhamma community.
Closure of access to insight is a good example. Thankfully the owner was kind enough to leave it as a open source.
What is the future of Dhamma Wheel.
Will one day we wake up and all Kalyanamittas disappeared without a trace?

http://www.lionsroar.com/after-ten-year ... huts-down/


From the link my highlight:

“We’ve been teaching for several years. Recently we decided that the direction we wanted to take our teaching was outside of the Buddhist framework, so it just made sense to start a new project that reflected that,”


How sad.

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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby SarathW » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:20 pm

Wonder why that direction changed.
Is that due to management change?
For example if Dhamma Wheel have a new management they will decide to scrap it.
Perhaps some thing similar must have happened to Myspace.
I know a young person spent thousand of hours building her friend base disappointed when it collapsed.
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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:35 am

SarathW wrote:Wonder why that direction changed.
Is that due to management change?
For example if Dhamma Wheel have a new management they will decide to scrap it.
Perhaps some thing similar must have happened to Myspace.
I know a young person spent thousand of hours building her friend base disappointed when it collapsed.


Here are some ideas I have so far for trying to ensure DW and related sites remain with a Buddhist focus:

* Only members with at least 1,000 posts can vote for the board of directors. That way, it avoids the potential for someone creating lots of fake accounts for the purpose of electing someone (or oneself) not devoted to the current mission and purpose.

* A board of about 3 to 9 members elected, with at least one being a monk or nun, at least one that has computer tech skills and at least one to be the treasurer making sure all bills are paid, processing donations, etc.

Initial by-laws could be written with the above language.

These are just some preliminary ideas that would have to be worked out when the time comes, but I think that may help in maintaining the site and keeping the Buddhist focus, for hopefully a very long time.

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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby binocular » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:39 pm

SarathW wrote:What is the future of Dhamma Wheel.
Will one day we wake up and all Kalyanamittas disappeared without a trace?

Not rarely, online interactions are low-efficacy, low-committment, low-quality. From that perspective, it would actually help to shut down various online Buddhist establishments.

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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby Javi » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:21 pm

dhammarelax wrote:
SarathW wrote:We have seen many Dhamma discussion groups and websites shut down after some time.
This can be a great loss to the Dhamma community.
Closure of access to insight is a good example. Thankfully the owner was kind enough to leave it as a open source.
What is the future of Dhamma Wheel.
Will one day we wake up and all Kalyanamittas disappeared without a trace?

http://www.lionsroar.com/after-ten-year ... huts-down/


From the link my highlight:

“We’ve been teaching for several years. Recently we decided that the direction we wanted to take our teaching was outside of the Buddhist framework, so it just made sense to start a new project that reflected that,”


How sad.

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They decided to start a business selling meditation instruction:
http://courses.meditate.io/

Having religious terms like "Buddhist" can scare silicon valley people away so it makes sense for them.

Everyone's gotta eat right?
Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā — All things decay and disappoint, it is through vigilance that you succeed — Mahāparinibbāna Sutta

Tārakā timiraṃ dīpo māyāvaśyāya budbudaḥ supinaṃ vidyud abhraṃ ca evaṃ draṣṭavya saṃskṛtam — A shooting star, a clouding of the sight, a lamp, An illusion, a drop of dew, a bubble, A dream, a lightning’s flash, a thunder cloud — This is the way one should see the conditioned — Vajracchedikā Prajñāpāramitā

I have seen all things that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a chase after wind — Ecclesiastes 1.14

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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby dhammarelax » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:35 pm

Javi wrote:
dhammarelax wrote:
SarathW wrote:We have seen many Dhamma discussion groups and websites shut down after some time.
This can be a great loss to the Dhamma community.
Closure of access to insight is a good example. Thankfully the owner was kind enough to leave it as a open source.
What is the future of Dhamma Wheel.
Will one day we wake up and all Kalyanamittas disappeared without a trace?

http://www.lionsroar.com/after-ten-year ... huts-down/


From the link my highlight:

“We’ve been teaching for several years. Recently we decided that the direction we wanted to take our teaching was outside of the Buddhist framework, so it just made sense to start a new project that reflected that,”


How sad.

Smile
Dhammarelax


They decided to start a business selling meditation instruction:
http://courses.meditate.io/

Having religious terms like "Buddhist" can scare silicon valley people away so it makes sense for them.

Everyone's gotta eat right?


AN 5.159 About Udayin (my highlight)

“…It’s not easy to teach the Dhamma to others, Ananda. The Dhamma should be taught to others only when five qualities are establihed within the person teaching. Which five?
“[1] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, ‘I will speak step-by-step.’
“[2] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, ‘I will speak explaining the sequence [of cause & effect].’
“[3] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, ‘I will speak out of compassion.’
“[4] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, ‘I will speak not for the purpose of material reward.’
“[5] The Dhamma should be taught with the thought, ‘I will speak without hurting myself or others.’
“It’s not easy to teach the Dhamma to others, Ananda. The Dhamma should be taught to others only when these five qualities are establihed within the person teaching.”
Even if the flesh & blood in my body dry up, leaving just the skin, tendons, & bones, I will use all my human firmness, human persistence and human striving. There will be no relaxing my persistence until I am the first of my generation to attain full awakening in this lifetime. ed. AN 2.5

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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby Javi » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:46 pm

Yeah well they are just taking stuff from Buddhism they like (mostly meditation). They're not really teaching dharma in that website.

To each their own I guess, there are many who practice meditation secularly and outside of the Buddhist context.
Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā — All things decay and disappoint, it is through vigilance that you succeed — Mahāparinibbāna Sutta

Tārakā timiraṃ dīpo māyāvaśyāya budbudaḥ supinaṃ vidyud abhraṃ ca evaṃ draṣṭavya saṃskṛtam — A shooting star, a clouding of the sight, a lamp, An illusion, a drop of dew, a bubble, A dream, a lightning’s flash, a thunder cloud — This is the way one should see the conditioned — Vajracchedikā Prajñāpāramitā

I have seen all things that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a chase after wind — Ecclesiastes 1.14

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Re: What is the future of Dhamma Wheel

Postby SarathW » Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:45 pm

there are many who practice meditation secularly and outside of the Buddhist context.

Agree.
I got a book for my Christmas present titled "The Meditation Bible". (one of my friend knew that I am in to Meditation)
It is a good book which covers reasonable well about breath meditation etc.
However it covers area like.

"Meditation is simply making a choice to focus your mind on something. In fact,reading a book is a form of meditation, as is watching a movie or advertising on TV. Thinking about your argument with your spouse this morning and the pile of work awaiting you at the office as you drive to work is meditation. Listening to a CD is meditation. Focusing carefully on which bunch of bananas to buy is a form of meditation."

:focus:

What Buddha taught was the right concentration. (Samma Samadhi)
i.e Concentration gained by following Noble Eightfold Path.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”


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