Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

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Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by Cormac Brown » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:04 pm

Hello,

As the title suggests, I'd like to make a call for removing the beer-related emoticon, on the grounds that it's blatantly inappropriate.

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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by Mr Man » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:15 pm

And the guns?

Perhaps the smiley faces are in a branch of A&W's drinking root beer (my favourite fizzie drink).

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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by ryanM » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:26 pm

:hug:
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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by Cormac Brown » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:55 pm

Mr Man wrote:And the guns?

Perhaps the smiley faces are in a branch of A&W's drinking root beer (my favourite fizzie drink).
Yes, I'd second taking the guns down. Hard to imagine a wholesome context for that.

I've read many explanations for what the beverage could be, but joking aside I think we all know what sort of thought it's most likely to provoke. If one were struggling with the desire to drink alcohol, for instance, it could be an unhelpful and intrusive sight to have every time you wanted to make a comment on a Dhamma-related forum.
“I in the present who am a worthy one, rightly self-awakened, am a
teacher of action, a teacher of activity, a teacher of persistence. But the
worthless man Makkhali contradicts even me, (saying,) ‘There is no
action. There is no activity. There is no persistence.’ "
AN 3.138, trans. Ven. Thanissaro

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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by JohnK » Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:11 pm

Interesting.
If this is the "real world," there are guns and beer, and you can choose to use them or not.
If this is a monastery, then you are protected from them.
I'm new here, don't know which it is.
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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by Cormac Brown » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:11 pm

It's a Buddhist discussion forum. I think it's appropriate to remove symbols that depict the apparently gleeful breaking of the five precepts.
“I in the present who am a worthy one, rightly self-awakened, am a
teacher of action, a teacher of activity, a teacher of persistence. But the
worthless man Makkhali contradicts even me, (saying,) ‘There is no
action. There is no activity. There is no persistence.’ "
AN 3.138, trans. Ven. Thanissaro

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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:04 pm

Since this is a Buddhist forum it must be alcohol free beer.
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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by Ben » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:42 pm

Thanks Cormac for your suggestion.
Personally, I would like to get rid of all the emoticons. I think people should use words and strive to be as eloquent as they possibly can. English is an amazingly expressive language.
However, some people like using emoticons to help to reduce ambiguity by injecting humour and emotions into their communications.
With respect to the beer-glass clinking emoticon - it's communicating a sense of celebration or congratulation. As some other members have indicated - for them it is associated with ginger beer or some other non-alcoholic beverage. Personally, I don't see the emoticon as inappropriate. At this stage, I'm not in favour of its removal.
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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by Goofaholix » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:04 pm

Ben wrote:Personally, I would like to get rid of all the emoticons.
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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by Cormac Brown » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:37 pm

Ben wrote:Personally, I don't see the emoticon as inappropriate. At this stage, I'm not in favour of its removal.
Fair enough so. Thank you for the reply.
Ben wrote:Personally, I would like to get rid of all the emoticons.
Yes, the relinquishment of all emoticons would seem like a healthy move to me.
“I in the present who am a worthy one, rightly self-awakened, am a
teacher of action, a teacher of activity, a teacher of persistence. But the
worthless man Makkhali contradicts even me, (saying,) ‘There is no
action. There is no activity. There is no persistence.’ "
AN 3.138, trans. Ven. Thanissaro

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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by SarathW » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:51 pm

Don't Arahants show emotions?

Don't they smile?

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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by thepea » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:46 am

I like the emoticons, there should be more. :pig:

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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by mikenz66 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:16 am

Cormac Brown wrote: Yes, the relinquishment of all emoticons would seem like a healthy move to me.
You can turn them off for yourself in the User Control Panel.

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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by Kim OHara » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:30 am

Ben wrote:... some people like using emoticons to help to reduce ambiguity by injecting humour and emotions into their communications.
I think we have so much trouble communicating emotional tone via words alone, especially across nations, cultures and various degrees of facility with the English language, that anything which can help clarify our communications should be encouraged.
Sure, most of us could make our meanings clear without emoticons if we tried really hard and used lots more words, but would we?

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:embarassed: I just used one!
:thinking: and it saved me 7 key-strokes.
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Re: Remove the beer-clinking emoticon

Post by Ben » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:27 am

Kim OHara wrote:
Ben wrote:... some people like using emoticons to help to reduce ambiguity by injecting humour and emotions into their communications.
I think we have so much trouble communicating emotional tone via words alone, especially across nations, cultures and various degrees of facility with the English language, that anything which can help clarify our communications should be encouraged.
Sure, most of us could make our meanings clear without emoticons if we tried really hard and used lots more words, but would we?

:namaste:
Kim

:embarassed: I just used one!
:thinking: and it saved me 7 key-strokes.
:tongue:
The last time I was driving up to work there was a story on the radio on the use and science of emoticons and emoji which I found fascinating. Part of the story was with a guy who converted melville's Moby Dick into emojis. Unbelievable.
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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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