Political Incorrectness and Moderation

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Political Incorrectness and Moderation

Post by Modus.Ponens » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:16 pm

Hello.

I would like to understand the current moderation policy with regards to political issues. There are numerous threads on the Lounge, speaking of sensitive subjects. That seems to be ok. On the other hand, it does not seem to be ok to comment on these with unconfortable turths, or politically incorrect opinions. Either I am wrong, or there is a double standard based on political bias, rather than objective standards.

There is a case to be made to discuss these things calmly and I accept my own faults in not doing this often. And in truth, I've never even been warned by the staff to stop talking about this or that. But I also recognise that there are double standards. And the closure of Paul's topic was one such double standard. The closing of topics is tiresome, if not unfair, for those who engage in them.

So what are we allowed to comment? Can we state facts that go against the narrative of groups that are supposedly rooting for good causes? Are we allowed to do this to recover the original noble purposes of such movements? Can we state facts about religions that are deeply unconfortable, yet urgent to deal with, lest we end up letting fascists be the only ones speaking about unconfortable truths?

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Re: Political Incorrectness and Moderation

Post by SDC » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:22 pm

The staff is currently discussing the most recent closure. What I can say for sure is that, once again, there were members who made the decision to go off topic. That is our primary issue in that sort of thread: that members fail to discuss the topic and begin discussion EACH OTHER. So the answer is YES, Modus, you can comment, but as soon as members start to poke at one another the thread begins to deteriorate and that is the thing we attempt to mitigate. We do not like to close threads but when they are taken in that direction by the participants we are given little choice.

Bottom line: stay on the topic RAISED IN THE ORIGINAL POST, stop talking about each other personally and threads will stay open. If you want to call each other out regarding a personal matter not related to the topic, do it in a PM.

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Re: Political Incorrectness and Moderation

Post by Cittasanto » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:08 pm

why not a issue a moderator note, as has been the practice in the past?
if it is ignored then something concrete can be pointed to as being of issue with the terms of service, or it will work and the topic is kept within the discussion.

Closing threads at the onset does not allow corrections to be made, and new members (or members who have strayed into unsuitable behaviour regarding the TOS) can learn. Remember the Buddha used different "tools" to teach learners sometimes he was gentle, sometimes harsh, and sometimes gentle and harsh. But unless it is with repeat offenders, who are the only participants in a thread, I do not believe a full thread should be closed as that is punishing all participants in the discussion for the few.

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Re: Political Incorrectness and Moderation

Post by Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:51 pm

Please see the Terms of Service regarding acts of moderation.

Complaining about moderation in public is not the right way to go about this.
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Re: Political Incorrectness and Moderation

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