Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by No_Mind » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:44 am

The point is not whether it is growing but if it is able to keep prolific and knowledgeable contributors engaged.

Spiny, Mkoll, cjmacie, reflection, dhammacoustic, clw_uk and hundred or so like them have disappeared .. not to mention many who join but do not write a word.

In any other forum this would be normal but this forum's purpose is to be an e-sangha. Loss of good writers is hard to replace.

Heavyweight discussions such as "The citta as a permanent self" or informative and educational posts such as "A Comparative Note on the Early Upaniṣads and Pāḷi Nikāyas – Nāmarupa" are not being created anymore.

One solution would be to archive the discussions so far and begin a new one (same name) and strictly make it a Buddhist/comparative religion forum with no discussion of politics or social engineering and other adjunct topics allowed anywhere. It causes too much rift .. conservatives dislike pro-transgender folk, rightists dislike leftists, Asians dislike political correctness forced down their throat, Westerners dislike Asian smugness and so on.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by Justsit » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:01 am

No_Mind wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:44 am
this forum's purpose is to be an e-sangha.
Oh no, please. One E-Sangha was entirely enough. :jawdrop:

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by SarathW » Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:17 am

SarathW wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:31 am
I did another quick assessment of the progress of DW.
Now it is averaging 2.79% ie (350/12543*100) users online compares to 2.27% last year.
This is a good indication that DW is growing at a steady pace.
Congratulation to all admin staff not to mention the regular users and contributors.
According to my latest trend analysis, Dhamma Wheel is averaging 3.12% ie (400/12798*100) users online based on the total number of members.
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by SarathW » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:25 pm

I have noticed that online users fell from about 420 to 160 recently.
I also note in Google research I hardly see any Dhamma Wheel link in the first page.
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by Kim OHara » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:48 pm

SarathW wrote:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:25 pm
I also note in Google research I hardly see any Dhamma Wheel link in the first page.
I searched for buddhist discussion forum with DuckDuckGo (which doesn't bias the search results according to your previous browsing history) and got:
Buddhism Without Boundaries - Buddhist Forum
https://buddhismwithoutboundaries.com

Dhamma Wheel - Buddhism Discussion Forum
Buddhist forum about the Dhamma of Theravāda Buddhism. .
https://dhammawheel.com

Dharma Wheel - Buddhism Discussion Forum
A Buddhist discussion forum on Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism.
https://dharmawheel.net

Recent Discussions — NewBuddhist
newbuddhist.com/discussions

Discussions : Secular Buddhist Association
ecularbuddhism.org/forum/

Buddhist Discussion - The Dao Bums
https://www.thedaobums.com/forum/183-bu ... iscussion/

Buddhism Forum - Buddhism Questions & Answers, Discussions - able2know
https://able2know.org/forum/buddhism/

FreeSangha - Buddhist Forum - Index
freesangha.com/forums/index.php

Discussion Forum - SGI Buddhism (.net)
https://sgibuddhism.net/forum

Buddhism Discussion | Naruto Forums
https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/bu ... n.1099086/

Daily Buddhist Life - Dhammaloka Community
https://bswa.org/forum/forum/discussion ... dhist-life

Zen Buddhism Community Discussion Forum
zenguide.com/forum/
A slightly different choice of search words - Buddhist online forum - got me most of the same results plus
Studying Tibetan Buddhism Online - YoWangdu: Experience Tibet
https://www.yowangdu.com/tibetan-buddhi ... nline.html

Recent Discussions — NewBuddhist
newbuddhist.com
- so we're doing okay.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by TRobinson465 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:57 am

NarutoForums?
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by Kim OHara » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:56 am

TRobinson465 wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:57 am
NarutoForums?
:juggling:

A couple of others are a bit odd, too, but the main thing I was looking for was whether we appear reasonably near the top, and we do.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by SarathW » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:48 am

What I am looking is the users online.
This is generally above 400.
For few weeks it is below 150.
Something unusual.
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by TRobinson465 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:37 am

with only a few hundred viewers i dont think seeing fluctuations is that uncommon. a small sample can have wide variations. For all you know somebody used to put DW on thier FB group and then took it down.
"Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism" - the 14th Dalai Lama

"At Varanasi, in the Deer Park at Isipatana, the Blessed One has set in motion the unexcelled Wheel of Dhamma that cannot be stopped by brahmins, devas, Maras, Brahmas or anyone in the cosmos." -Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta

"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by DNS » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:52 am

Google search rankings change frequently and often one site can have a high ranking due to good SEO, key words and not necessarily from traffic. I like the total number of posts as a good indication of how a forum is doing not just now, but also historically, all-time. The DW sites, combined are nearing 1 million posts, which will soon make it tied with the famous / infamous e-sangha, now defunct since 2009.

Another good metric is the alexa.com traffic rankings, but these also change rapidly. I checked tonight and found the following:
(the lower the number, the higher the traffic, for example google has a traffic ranking of 1; youtube has a traffic ranking of 2, etc.)

1. dharmawheel.net (DW - Mahayana) = 285,926

2. newbuddhist.com/discussions = 482,658

3. dhammawheel.com (DW - Theravada) = 544,916

4. secularbuddhism.org/forum/ = 910,450

5. buddhismwithoutboundaries.com = 1,173,382

6. dharmawheel.org (DW - Engaged) = 1,409,378

7. freesangha.com/forums/index.php = 1,707,557

8. sgibuddhism.net/forum = 4,026,106

9. zenguide.com/forum/ = 8,822,753

10. zen1.space = 12,562,545

(forums that are under the umbrella of some other larger site, for example, beliefnet, will have a misleadingly good ranking due to the overall traffic of the parent site, so those are not included above.)

DW - Theravada (this site) is doing fine at number 3. I believe we may have slipped a little due to no longer having news & politics here; but one could argue that the quality of discussion has improved due to that though.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by SarathW » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:47 am

the quality of discussion has improved due to that though.
:sage:
Agree.
What do you need?
Quantity or the quality?
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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by DNS » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:35 pm

SarathW wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:47 am
the quality of discussion has improved due to that though.
:sage:
Agree.
What do you need?
Quantity or the quality?
I don't need anything, I'm quite content, thank you. :meditate: :tongue:

I'd like to see both quality and quantity, but if I had to choose, I'd go with quality. A 4chan sandbox might have lots of traffic, but what's the use of that? Quality is best, but having quantity too would be even better.

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by Coëmgenu » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:05 am

It's not growing because it is hemorrhaging new posters and old.
如無為,如是難見、不動、不屈、不死、無漏、覆蔭、洲渚、濟渡、依止、擁護、不流轉、離熾焰、離燒然、流通、清涼、微妙、安隱、無病、無所有、涅槃。
Like this is the uncreated, like this is that which is difficult to realize, with no moving, no bending, no dying. Utterly lacking secretions and smothered in the dark, it is the island shore. Where there is ferrying, it is the crossing. It is dependency's ceasing, it is the end of circulating transmissions. It is the exhaustion of the flame, it is the ending of the burning. Flowing openly, pure and cool, with secret subtlety, and calm occultation, lacking ailment, lacking owning, nirvāṇa.
Asaṁskṛtadharmasūtra, Sermon on the Uncreated Phenomenon, T99.224b7, Saṁyuktāgama 890

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by Coëmgenu » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:07 am

Binocular, for example, left because of the horrible culture of posting here. And she was a very tough cookie to hang out here as long as she did.
如無為,如是難見、不動、不屈、不死、無漏、覆蔭、洲渚、濟渡、依止、擁護、不流轉、離熾焰、離燒然、流通、清涼、微妙、安隱、無病、無所有、涅槃。
Like this is the uncreated, like this is that which is difficult to realize, with no moving, no bending, no dying. Utterly lacking secretions and smothered in the dark, it is the island shore. Where there is ferrying, it is the crossing. It is dependency's ceasing, it is the end of circulating transmissions. It is the exhaustion of the flame, it is the ending of the burning. Flowing openly, pure and cool, with secret subtlety, and calm occultation, lacking ailment, lacking owning, nirvāṇa.
Asaṁskṛtadharmasūtra, Sermon on the Uncreated Phenomenon, T99.224b7, Saṁyuktāgama 890

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Re: Why Dhammawheel is not growing?

Post by Sam Vara » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:10 am

Coëmgenu wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:07 am
Binocular, for example, left because of the horrible culture of posting here. And she was a very tough cookie to hang out here as long as she did.
When was this? Binocular was posting in the last 24 hours. Has she PM'd you in the interim?

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