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ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Hanzze » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:27 pm

..starting to post and later introduce my self.
Nobody comes, nobody goes :-)

I am more than happy to be able to participate a little in your great forum. Good organized and well disciplined.
As you can see my picture you know already a lot of my inside with is only reflecting yours :tongue:

I hope I am not too direct and my mad English will be overseen as I am a lazy person in learning rules (like grammar, spelling, behavior, laws...).

Since one day we have electricity and internet in our house after a long time. As it is 2:15 in the morning you can also see may main hindrance: the attachment to Dhamma :rofl: Walking neighter the Teravada nor the maha way, I am able to excuse my failures better. So I justify my sitting at this time with the Diamond way :-)

Nice to meet you here as it was not planed (or was it, dont remember haha)
And no problem, I am used to be hated and kicked out. So no polite is nessesary. For me I will try my best, but forgive me if failed (than it was just a wink of a Tibetan crazy Dharma teacher)

May it be for the benefit of all beings.
Hanzze
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by cooran » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:37 pm

:smile:
Welcome Hanzze!

Hope to see more of you on Dhamma wheel.

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by bodom » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:40 pm

Welcome Hanzze!

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With no struggling, no thinking,
the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
to allay all stress.

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Ytrog » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:39 pm

Welcome :)
Suffering is asking from life what it can never give you.
mindfulness, bliss and beyond (page 8) wrote:Do not linger on the past. Do not keep carrying around coffins full of dead moments
If you see any unskillful speech (or other action) from me let me know, so I can learn from it.

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Individual » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:20 pm

:cookoo:
The best things in life aren't things.

The Diamond Sutra

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:57 pm

Greetings Hanzze,

Welcome to Dhamma Wheel.

:buddha2:

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Ben » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:26 am

Hi Hanzze
Welcome to Dhamma Wheel.
kind regards

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Hanzze » Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:17 am

Individual wrote::cookoo:
:jumping:

Thanks for your warm wellcome :bow:
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Viriya » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:01 am

I like mad English. Grammar should mirror life: unpredictable. ^^
Look forward to hearing more from you!

:anjali: Metta,
Viriya
I'm not very good at right speech, although I try, so please guide and correct me if necessary so I don't make bad kamma for myself and cause others to be annoyed. (=

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Hanzze » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:15 am

Viriya wrote:I like mad English. Grammar should mirror life: unpredictable. ^^
Look forward to hearing more from you!

:anjali: Metta,
Viriya
ohhh... latest then you would not like mad English haha It is good to be only written. like, not like, like, not like... :-)
Yes, it is a very good mirror. :-) But that realization is sometimes only a excuse for laziness. I am still not sure what it is in my case :rofl:
Meanwhile let us stay not to much serious :-) and let us grow.

Nice to meet you Viriya!
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Samana Johann 1 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:36 pm

Althought (just for information) not required and even not proper at all after such approach, nevertheless, since some might be shy to ask, or unable to use proper means:

(Upasaka) Ruslan asked here, so my person guesses it's a good place to answer here. The more attentive might know already, the elders of the community here, as well.

So just short on the questions:

Are you a fully ordained Samanera or a Bhikkhu?
Formal my person trains the lives as a so called Samanera, one having received the going forth by a Bhikkhu of the Buddhas Savakas (disciples). Practical, aside of community things, training since longer in Vinaya and in most of the Dhutangas.

Who is your preceptor? My person does not remember his first pereceptors name, having received the going forth, some 7, 8 years ago. Met on the way in an homeless walk, often called Anagarika (actually Samanera): My persons current Ven. preceptor is named Sodhammorakkhito, my persons current Nissaya is perceived in Ven. Indannano, when in touch. For the most time living and dwelling without Nissaya, without dependency.

Where are you staying?
In the internet realm my person uses to dwell at the given Dhamma-Vinaya Vihara, sangham.net, Upasaka Dmytro, once generously started to errect, on Upasika Sophorn given ground. There is such as a Kuti for non public approach.
Other earlier given information, can be found here, in an older introduction topic.
Gross bodily, my person stays here, since unusual long time on a place.

One may feel given to register and to take on certain memerships to discover all of what might be not accessable for now for one, or simply ask here.

Short to the past here, DW was the first place my person took birth on internet and came in touch with "Buddhist". After serial times of having being banned, always hardly "criticising" the moderators and owner, better placing encouragements toward generosity and Sila, my person got soon permanently banned. Better if saying received this huge amount of generosity and tolerance, if viewing right on it, in regard of the givers. Once a later time, my person registered as Samana Johann, to share Dhamma, again uninvited, but that did not last long.
Never really far away, my person came accidentally known why certain people are missing and things changed, of the so called big DW-revolution, which was not pleasant to read...

Having had the feeling, seeing such topics like "reasons not to ordain", the answers there, and the case that also this broad falls away of the Sangha, and certain other extremism present, yes, refuge into more and more secular approaches and endless papanca, politic..., my person thought to give it a try to give some shares, in trust, of course, and maybe inspirations to step on the break and stirring toward path again.

Receiving astonishing tolerance and generosity, not really expected at all, my person still remains here a little.

One "should" know, that my person "is" probably, at broad, the most hated or avoided, banned and censured monk in public areas of Dhamma-bussiness in modern world. So one should not feel bad if wishing to not assossiate to much, fearing restrictions here and there. That's totally understandable if in certain dependency.

Again, my person is very impressed of not normal generosity here, althought still to low to let good and better arise in regard of proper reletion, and also in regard of lesser killing, stealing... proper behaviour in regard of even unwelcome by those in charge here, again not common at all at this time here.

So let "us" see, of what my person might be able to leave behind for benefit toward release and that such great desire and sacrifices at first place increases so that a releation to the Savaka Sangha, via internet might find a good base, and those dwelling here never miss benefical guidiance, better one than such a loosely beggar with not addorments at all to usually atract.

Aside of having been gifted with many small and larg things here, by many, possible not even remembering, my person, if right remembering, received John Bullits gift, and of many others since the Buddha, by ATI here from Cooran first, with trying to carry it further since 2012, after got the impression, it will soon disapear, by appereances here, but also and formost to give those feeling gratitude an joy with the heritage, to give something "back", forward, by accesstoinsight.eu or zugangzureinsicht.org.

So there is less not given in advanced that just dwelling in ones awareness here.

One may feel free to ask, my person did never put any great effort to provide such as a map to grasp of his way till here: just ones kamma, touch what ever is met, different experiances for each, if even physical touch.

Addition: my person thinks, that all possible to give here, now, in this situation and circumstances, including accesses, has already been given, and it's probably good to let go here of what has been taken on very vaguely trust.

May possible not seen faults of mine, requiring asking for pardon, be pardoned for best own welfare and possiblility to let go.

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by binocular » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:00 pm

Samana Johann 1 wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:36 pm
Having had the feeling, seeing such topics like "reasons not to ordain", the answers there, and the case that also this broad falls away of the Sangha, and certain other extremism present, yes, refuge into more and more secular approaches and endless papanca, politic..., my person thought to give it a try to give some shares, in trust, of course, and maybe inspirations to step on the break and stirring toward path again.
And you are succeeding in that!

:namaste:

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Samana Johann 1 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:34 pm

At the end of the line, no, Upasika Binocular. It's by the compassion of the Buddha and many following him, firm confidence.

And who is a person with nissaya? Someone who seeks for it.

Althought having given elsewhere, in regard of the basic precepts making one a follower of the Buddha, giving up striving for being, becoming Buddhist, this talk, althought it turns quick after "outwardly again, starts with graditude and respect, with recognition of all the sacrifices and suffering of the past, with right grasped respect for oneself:

Respect, Confidence and Patient

Once found real refuge, it's no more possible that this boundage can break till the final release.

That is why the path does not start and end with "upekkhā", but by really get touched on the right place.

Mudita, especially that so many, here by the possibility of touch, have the luck to be able of getting in touch with real great teacher (incl. sufficent knowlegde and pleasant spelling). They leave, the very less left. And other Arahats are really very necessary if wishing for the best for your self and all others

Hurry, and reflect not twice on Coorans signation.
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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by binocular » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:47 pm

Samana Johann 1 wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:34 pm
Hurry, and reflect not twice on Coorans signation.
I'm afraid that in your enthusiasm, you are skipping a few things. Namely, many people have reservations about Buddhist practice. Trying to pretend that those reservations don't exist or that they don't matter backfires.

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by rightviewftw » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:55 pm

Samana Johann 1 wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:36 pm
I am sorry that i assumed that you were hiding your identity. I did not know that a Novice could be without a teacher tho, interesting.

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by DNS » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:27 pm

Samana Johann 1 wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:36 pm
Short to the past here, DW was the first place my person took birth on internet and came in touch with "Buddhist". After serial times of having being banned, always hardly "criticising" the moderators and owner, better placing encouragements toward generosity and Sila, my person got soon permanently banned.
You were never banned for "criticizing" moderators or owner, if that were the case you would have already been banned on your first day back, the day before yesterday. You were banned, in the past for violations of the terms of service.

What does "ups" stand for in the title of this thread?

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by binocular » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:33 pm

DNS wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:27 pm
What does "ups" stand for in the title of this thread?
Probably oops -- https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oops
The German form/spelling is "ups" (the OP's native language is German and sometimes shows through in his English).

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Samana Johann 1 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:02 am

Again, Householder David, what ever would be tried to do and solve things in "modern" ways would not work.

My person, and it's actually not the reason for approach to gain ways to approach here, but that you don't loose you connection, better win, to the Savaka Sangha, even if given afterwards, would need to abound the/a gift.

Since laws have never helped to be not just weapons for "fools", defilements, there are this simple precepts, starting with refuge to fall not away. Killing, is killing (deriving of existence) stealing (taking, destroying, deriving, deleating) is stealing.

The wonderful work "Wisdom over Justice" might help.

Since it is not really by right means that all here is given and many are easy confused by outwardly impressions "hey he does as well", again and clear: it would have been not correct to take access to dwell here, and if would have put suggsetions for the own sake, as well.

So do not see it as an act of disregard or ill-will or even childish ingratitude that my gives back here the taken in trust account for just the purpose to give advices how things will not naturally end.

If not understood, if not able to figure out the right basic means, you can not be helped by the Sangha of not corrupted.

And it's not to pull anybody out of his/her dependency or to 'liberate' (steal) slaves, that the door to more proper ways, for those wishing and seek advices in regard of the tradition of the Noble Ones, is left behind: sangham.net, for the Sangha.net, whether for the Venerable Sirs comming in touch, or lay followers, or interested, either to active give there into Upanissaya or by catching just up ideas and do even a better.

It's a forest monastery, remote, lot of danger around, landmines, no protection, guards aside of trust in kamma and respecting the Devas and those walking in front or having been arived... so certain high Nissaya is required, the mass will not be able to use.

Householder David, there are no claims, there are no demands raised, and there is nothing my person asks you, having received even so many, aside of give firm faith into the basics and use your special merits to become either a real follower of Anāthapiṇḍikassa or hurry in leaving house outwardly, since it would be really a waste to have just such lingas left behind:

Image

The yellow ones in the garden, the plattes and all other made to addorments, occupied.

You know, it's not not a accident to get born in a tripe known as juwel dealer but a seldom possibility here to leave the wheel and get free of Buddha-nature.

Those children around are a matter of own kamma. So try to be a sample for those of them capable to make fundamental changes.
Gaining Dhamma requires to give up one holds on thinking it's ones own.

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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Samana Johann 1 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:56 am

If one wishes to correct typos, spelling, grammer, what ever, one may do so every time:

pass word: [netyhrwz435 ; old] [netvtef54229 ; old 19.3.2018] gtesvr647
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Re: ups unpolite like ever...

Post by Samana Johann 1 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:57 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:08 am


1) Bhante, it would be great if you could not use white font. It's just too hard to read.
Encouraging people to "googlyana", caught in this realm, and training minfullness rather then consume, was it's pupose, Nyom Sam Vara. My person is aware, like Upasika Binocular pointed out below, that there are less willing to use "Dhamma-places" for practicing dana, sila, samadhi, panna, mindfullness on each level of defilements and that it can course easy annoying till grave missdeeds arise. But to answer indirect also to Upasika Binoculars account, it's because of the three sick people that the fourth also "receives" medicin that would not heal. Maybe the links, also this discussions contain useful suggestions for your place. May person will try to find ways to do neither fall into usuals nor "hurt" to much, those used to be served by "mara", delight in sense-pleasure.
Sam Vara wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:08 am
2) Out of interest, could you explain why you refer to the yourself as "My person"? Is this making some kind of point about anatta, or do you think this is a common way of expressing the first person singular in English? The convention is "I" or "me". So many people have taken issue with this sort of writing that the idiosyncracy has now become the message.
Also this is a good part of training against the flow into faster, easier and into debts. Usually my person uses Atma (from "Atman", "I", a polite third person approach of one self when speaking with householders, like it is usual here) Also it's very impolite to use first person and secound, or name calling. Althought the way of speech died out in western world, especially on internet, it's a very useful training. Some informations in english, to investigate this matter, have been given here before: Usual kind of speech and adressing in Dhamma-communities in traditional countrie It needs a lot of attention to follow a conversation where only third person is used. Not easy, but usual here, except in very low social and education relations.

It's also a top reason for even very grave missdeeds on internet without restrictions, since it has been grown out of marxistic idiologies at least, goes hard against wrong view: "pseudo liberation, equality, homiehood", enemies to ever meet the path.

And no, it's the opposite of usual Jain-approaches in "I am nothing, I do not exist"

Atma thought it's good to place personal approaches here, but of course all worthy topics on a more general scale.

Upasaka Marcel had started to give a share of usual forms of conversation between houseless and householders here. (German only for now)

Althought the "Sangha" and the Buddhist communities try to pull the Dhamma and ways into the world, Atma prefers it to give ways to leave the worlds usuals toward path and fruits, the Gems. There will be not many touched in inspiring ways, of course.
It's not clear if the possibility to take on form here is given, so also this post might be made on merely uncomfortable trust. Please don't be shy to make remark as well as to do what ever with the post you might be inspired to. Key is found here. May it be, how ever, understood as Dhamma-Dana toward the Sangha of Buddhas Savakas and those following them and not thought for any kind of trade or exchange for low purpose for the world. Feel also always welcome here.

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