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Re: Another "Moin"

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Hi acinteyyo,

You are right. Career and work entail dukkha, marriage and family entail dukkha, single life entails dukkha, and -guess what- monastic life also entails dukkha. Some think that monastic life is free of dukkha, or at least easier, but that's an illusion. What monastic life does is that it puts you (hopefully) in a better position to deal with dukkha.

It is important to understand that you cannot escape dukkha, no matter what you do. There is no running away from dukkha. But you can learn to avoid unnecessary dukkha and learn to manage the unavoidable part skilfully. You don't need to become a monk in order to do that.

While the avoidance of dukkha is skilful in some situations, one must realise that it makes a very poor life goal. If the supreme goal in life is the avoidance of dukkha, that's a bit like dodging life itself. I would not recommend this approach. Instead, follow the path that you recognise to be of true value.

Cheers, Thomas
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Pannapetar wrote:Hi acinteyyo,
You are right. Career and work entail dukkha, marriage and family entail dukkha, single life entails dukkha, and -guess what- monastic life also entails dukkha. Some think that monastic life is free of dukkha, or at least easier, but that's an illusion. What monastic life does is that it puts you (hopefully) in a better position to deal with dukkha.
It is important to understand that you cannot escape dukkha, no matter what you do. There is no running away from dukkha. But you can learn to avoid unnecessary dukkha and learn to manage the unavoidable part skilfully. You don't need to become a monk in order to do that.
While the avoidance of dukkha is skilful in some situations, one must realise that it makes a very poor life goal. If the supreme goal in life is the avoidance of dukkha, that's a bit like dodging life itself. I would not recommend this approach. Instead, follow the path that you recognise to be of true value.
Cheers, Thomas
Thank you for your answer Thomas! I did not say anything about becoming a monk. But the advantage of monastic life, as I see it, is that a lot of worldly hindrances related to a worldly life can be easily reduced. The one who still lives a "normal" life can only reduce hindrances hardly to a certain level, beyond that normal live becomes impossible and following the path becomes impossible, too. One should think about that. That's why I said:
acinteyyo wrote:I think I'm going to manage this circumstances and reduce my "involvement" concerning the wordly life
Pannapetar wrote:It is important to understand that you cannot escape dukkha, no matter what you do.
You're not serious aren't you? Take a look at my signature. I wouldn't do anything if there wouldn't be a way out. But you're right in case of "self". If someone "is someone" and thinks "I am" then there is no escape from dukkha for him/her until things are seen as they are.

best whishes, acinteyyo
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retrofuturist wrote:Greetings acinteyyo,
My advice would be, in those circumstances, to ensure you steer clear of anything which could complicate any future interest in the monastic life such as engagement, marriage, children, combined purchases/investments of a significant scale.
Metta,
Retro. :)
Hi retro,
sounds good to me! ;)
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acinteyyo wrote:You're not serious aren't you?
Maybe it's the wording: You cannot escape dukkha, but you can defeat it.

Cheers, Thomas
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Pannapetar wrote: You cannot escape dukkha, but you can defeat it.
I don't get it.
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Guten Tag! Herzlich willkommen! Mein Name ist Shaun.

Sorry, I just completed my first semester of Deutsch and am enjoying opportunities to practice. Hope you enjoy it here! :hello:
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Moin again,

I'm back although I wasn't really away. I have had a lot to do the last months and therefore only rarely visited dhammawheel. Sometimes only to read a bit or to check whether I received a PM or not.

I've decided to share the recent changes in my life. As some of you know I have nearly served 10 years in the german air force. This year will be my last year. In the german military you can start a new apprenticeship after 10 years if you don't want to stay in the military and return to civil life. Now that those 10 years come to an end I decided to introduce some major changes to my lifestyle in order to adjust the course more alongside the path of right livelihood.

I managed to get an early exemption from military service which enables me to begin an apprenticeship as farmer in September. It'll take about 2 - 3 years. I plan to invest my compensations in a tiny piece of land and start to build a self-sufficient and sustainable little farm. In the future I hope I will be able to withdraw myself from the cycle of money and live a simple and secluded life.

As you probably can imagine, my military service often made proper Dhammapractice difficult, therefore I'm very glad that this huge obstacle has been overcome and I'm looking forward to the new changes ahead.

best wishes, acinteyyo :anjali:
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Congratulations! A well deserved change to practice the Dhamma without obstacles.

Best of luck!
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Anumodana, acinteyyo! It sounds like a good decision, and more conducive to practice.

Kind wishes,
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Hello
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Greetings,

I'm very pleased for you, friend. This is excellent news.

Mudita,
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So happy for you! And glad to have you back around.
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:thanks: :group:
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acinteyyo wrote: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:24 am Moin,

so what can I say... My name is Florian. I'm 23 years old and I live in Neuburg/Germany.
I'm able to read and understand english quite well, but my writing experience, especially with respect to these particular buddhism topics, is rather nothing. So I guess the terminology needed for efficient conversation or discussion does not really exist at the moment.
However I'm going to read the topics and I think thereby I'll learn enough sophisticated vocab so that we could have some helpful conversation some day.
Since I read a book about the 4 noble truths, I decided to read up on it. Well so I came to buddhism - especially to Theravada.
So far so good...kind regards
:namaste:

acinteyya
As time goes by... everything revolves around Dhamma...
Hi everyone,
more than 12 years have past since the day I posted this post above.
I left the airforce two years ago and started a little CSA (community supported agriculture) as a gardener in the region I grew up.
Things sorted themselves out...
I remembered what a wonderful place dhammawheel has been for me and so I decided to spend some more time again here.

I'm curious...

best wishes, acinteyyo
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Glad to have you back, Flo!
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