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- Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:58 am
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
- Replies: 91
- Views: 31952
Re: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
To conceive of any phenomena as existing that then goes out of existence is annihilation. To conceive of any sustaining entity or quality"nomena" is eternalist. This is how I understand it. So it would not be ultimately correct to say that there is suffering which comes to an end. It is o...
- Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:54 am
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
- Replies: 52
- Views: 21742
Re: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
The Buddha's teachings were complete and not in need of any further "improvement". The "wheel" has not stopped rolling, and has never been in any need of "re-turning".gabrielbranbury wrote:
Indeed... It is the same emptiness for each turn of the wheel.
- Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:52 pm
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
- Replies: 52
- Views: 21742
Re: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
meindzai wrote:....since the only realities I'm concerned with are dukkha and the cessation of dukkha.
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- Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:33 pm
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
- Replies: 52
- Views: 21742
Re: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
"Negation of inherent existence" is annihiliationism. Tsongkapa would say no, because conventional existence is not negated. Which is why it hurts plenty when I hit my hand with a hammer. And which is also why negation of inherent existence is merely conceptual emptiness. But ultimately t...
- Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:50 pm
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
- Replies: 52
- Views: 21742
Re: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
Mahayana: "Everything is not inherently real". The world is a figment of your imagination. I don't think this is accurate. According to Gelug negation of inherent existence is merely conceptual emptiness. Real emptiness is beyond the four extremes hence there is no "your" or &qu...
- Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:10 pm
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
- Replies: 52
- Views: 21742
Re: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
Mahayana: "Everything is not inherently real". The world is a figment of your imagination. I don't think this is accurate. According to Gelug negation of inherent existence is merely conceptual emptiness. Real emptiness is beyond the four extremes hence there is no "your" or &qu...
- Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:05 am
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
- Replies: 91
- Views: 31952
Re: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
I think a lot of my arguments with you and Stuka are like this, and a lot of Buddhist debates, in general. [EDIT: Off-topic response about Individual removed. If there are issues to be resolved, we don't want to see them played out in public please. Forum rule: "Be nice to each other". Th...
- Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:56 pm
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
- Replies: 91
- Views: 31952
Re: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
The five aggregates are neutral. They do not cause dukkha and they do not require abandoning. If the five aggregates do not cause dukkha, what is their relevance to the path and the goal? The Buddha, after Awakening, was nonetheless still composed of five aggregates. What causes dukkha is craving a...
- Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:55 pm
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
- Replies: 91
- Views: 31952
Re: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
It's important to remember, though, that non-time-delineated models of dependent origination doesn't mean that consciousness isn't "reborn." "Vinnana" is not "reborn" in paticcasamuppada, or any of the Buddha's other teachings.. Now, by saying that I'm not putting fort...
- Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:16 pm
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
- Replies: 91
- Views: 31952
Re: Ucchedavada (annihilationism) - what does it actually mean?
Dhammanando wrote:Hi Craig,The three tires come from Tireland.clw_uk wrote:not sure if this ties in but where does the three tires come from? is it pali canon or commentary
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Re: Tathāgata
Will Many thanks for the link. In it, the author notes: For faithful of the Theravada tradition, the notion of the Buddha as Tathagata resonates with many of their metaphysical, cosmological, and soteriological views. I was surprised to see a reference to 'soteriology', which is a loaded term and o...
- Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:44 am
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
- Replies: 52
- Views: 21742
Re: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
"'Everything exists': That is one extreme. 'Everything doesn't exist': That is a second extreme. Avoiding these two extremes, the Tathagata teaches the Dhamma via the middle... That seems to also be a good summary of the Madhyamaka school of thought of Mahayana as well. :) I think the main dis...
- Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:27 am
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
- Replies: 52
- Views: 21742
Re: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
Also, Retrofuturist: A strawman is when you're in a debate and you attack an argument that your opponent isn't making. In this case, there are no "opponents" here and my statement there was a remark not directly related to what you said, certainly not a direct attack on anything you said ...
- Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:15 am
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
- Replies: 52
- Views: 21742
Re: Emptiness - mahayana and theravada
Greetings Individual, the modern Theravadins can be even be worse, being both realists and materialists, by seeing the Five Aggregates as merely a useful but limited classification while clinging to materialistic western science as an explanation for the way the world really is. Now there's a papan...
- Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:48 am
- Forum: General Theravāda discussion
- Topic: tathata (thusness, suchness)
- Replies: 17
- Views: 12223
Re: tathata
From Buddhadasa's THE NATURAL CURE FOR SPIRITUAL DISEASE THUSNESS Now, we come to the fourth and last topic: tathata (suchness, thusness). "Merely thus," "just such": everything is such as it is and in no way different from that thusness. This is called "tathata." When...