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by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

… I think you are missing something there. Whilst external contacts aren’t part of our dependent origination, which is about the conditions of our experience of the world, they do have an arising that is conditional. They arise due to conditions and so are impermanent, dukkha and not-self. A pleasi...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

I can quote you directly. On impermanent things not being dukkha Monks, form is inconstant. Whatever is inconstant is stressful. Whatever is stressful is not-self. That is to be seen with right discernment as it has come to be: ‘This is not mine. This is not my self. This is not what I am.’ Arahant...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

Greetings Ceisiwr, Asahi's alleged misrepresentation, which is in-fact a sutta quotation, directly illustrates how foolhardy, hasty, and wrong your earlier comment about āyatanas ceasing but indriyas remaining was. The jīvitendriya and the "heat" is also dependently originated. You don't ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

Asahi's alleged misrepresentation, which is in-fact a sutta quotation, directly illustrates how foolhardy, hasty, and wrong your earlier comment about āyatanas ceasing but indriyas remaining was. The jīvitendriya and the "heat" is also dependently originated. You don't need an entire nidā...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Venerable Bodhi’s New Book
Replies: 16
Views: 549

Venerable Bodhi’s New Book

Venerable Bodhi has a new book coming out in February 2023. Noble Truths, Noble Path :The Heart Essence of the Buddha’s Original Teachings The renowned translator Bhikkhu Bodhi has crafted this anthology of suttas from the Samyutta Nikaya to enable students of Early Buddhism to penetrate into the he...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

What does noble truth of suffering refers to ? The First Truth list things which are a source of suffering while ignorance and craving persist, ie while DO persists. One final thing until tomorrow, this is a misreading of the 1st truth. The 1st truth is a list of things which are dukkha. For exampl...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

Some replies in this thread deserve a longer post than what I can currently give, as I’m restricted to my phone until tomorrow. I’ll reply in full tomorrow evening.
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

Greetings, The issue in contention, to repeat for clarity, is if all are missing and there is no remainder of them at all ever for any Awakened or if there is a remainder of the DO-arisen things. The "remainder", as it's called in the sense of "nibbana with remainder", are not p...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

IMO, that is precisely what leaves no room for "a remainder." This version of dependent cessation cannot account for the Nibbānadhātu with a remainder. As a side note, clearly, if I want to sleep, I have to apply a stronger guarding of the senses, a stronger development of the indriyas. W...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

So when we are born we die? How then does any life exist? When we conceive that. I misread your question, sorry. I understand that as a full package of self-based concepts, and as such they all arise or cease here and now. Brokenness of teeth, declining of the life faculty, dying occur without a se...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

Greetings, Greetings, Just because a Sutta mentions something doesn't mean an arahant has it. 🙄 Seriously.... If the sutta mentioned it thats means it is the words of the Buddha , if you dont accept the words of the Buddha , what then are you relying on , the only way for you is take it up to the B...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

Greetings, In the suttas, because it is impermanent it must also be dukkha. Anything which is impermanent is dukkha, in the suttas. Nonsense. You are conflating dhammas and sankharas. Maybe if the translation of the Dhammapada verse you shared earlier wasn't so brothelized, you'd understand the dif...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

Greetings, The vedana that isn’t dependently arisen, is it impermanent or permanent? Impermanent. (And don't do your idiotic "well that means it's dukkha" routine. You may enjoy clinging so tightly to your views that you go around it mindless circles, but it's not everyone's cup of tea) M...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

What about the inseparability of causes and effects? That would be why we still call it, the bodymind, "arisen," no? Everything that has arisen will also cease. Arising, inasmuch as it is a cause for the effect that we call "cessation," for instance, is inseparable from cessatio...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: sense bases disappear ?
Replies: 1906
Views: 43625

Re: sense bases disappear ?

Greetings Ceisiwr, I can only shake my head. You clearly do not comprehend the difference between the vedana of paticcasamuppada, which has ceased for the arahant (I.e. vedananirodha).... and the pleasant and unpleasant vedana which is disconnected from avijja, that the arahant experiences. Because...