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by Lazy_eye
Sun May 01, 2016 1:40 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

It's not a thing, it's a state of affairs. Eternalism & annihilationism are related to Self-views, not to things existing and then ending. Suffering exists , for example ("It is not that there is no suffering, Kassapa; there is suffering."). Of course there's no inherent 'suffering-th...
by Lazy_eye
Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:34 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

I suppose it could mean letting go of thinking if the thinking becomes a hindrance or obstacle and cause of the suffering? but that would be me reading into something that is not said? (I like to think this is what he was trying to say) :juggling: The only way that it really makes sense to me is as...
by Lazy_eye
Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:14 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

I found the passage confusing -- it seems to set up existence as a real (if unappealing) thing that can be gotten rid of. That is, it seems to endorse vibhava-tanha. Possible that this is a case of language and viewpoints from earlier Śramaṇa movements being carried over into the Pali suttas, and at...
by Lazy_eye
Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:40 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

Greetings Aloka, It's AN 1.328. Paul, would you be able to provide a link and perhaps the Pali original? I have been unable to locate this passage. I did find the following : 320. Bhikkhus, just as a little bit of excreta smells and should be got rid of, I do not specify thinking even for the fract...
by Lazy_eye
Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:44 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

Maybe it's too thin a slice to satisfy... ah well; I still see a space for withholding a commitment. Surely I can only guess at what an arahant knows. That is a very interesting sutta. It makes me wonder whether an "axiological" approach to the Dhamma might be fundamentally off the mark -...
by Lazy_eye
Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:49 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: Attachment to loved ones
Replies: 11
Views: 4309

Re: Attachment to loved ones

In order to attain the nibbana we must get rid of all kinds of desire and attachment, including attachment to loved ones: father, mother, daughters and sons, the partner On the other hand, buddhism encourages the creation of families and the respect for the relatives Isn't it a contradiction? How i...
by Lazy_eye
Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:32 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

So, to get around a rebirth-necessity in the case of a null bomb or a death doctor, begin from the foundation that agnosticism prevails in all cases of post-death assertions. This also removes post-death promises from being considered as primary goals since the Dhamma is unique in offering a 'here ...
by Lazy_eye
Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:06 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

Eternalism assumes there is existence and that it is indefinite. Annihilation assumes there is existence and it is destroyed. Each come from the root view that there is, at some point, existence. Yet (as I was kindly reminded by a fellow DW member earlier today), the Buddha said that "as even ...
by Lazy_eye
Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:40 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

rebirth Yes, he acknowledges that. But he then makes the interesting (at least to me) claim that the Dhamma can answer the objection even without rebirth. I think the essential problem here is that the author is stuck in the polarity of existence and non-existence. Whilst they remain unable to tran...
by Lazy_eye
Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:52 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

You mean, how does nibbana resist the claim of being the same as this 'null bomb'? Not exactly. It's more: how does the Nirodha view counter the objection raised (that is, "the elimination of all suffering by any means would seem to qualify as the best possible state of affairs" -- hence,...
by Lazy_eye
Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:24 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

Can you give a TLDR version? I'll do my best. :) The first point concerned the Buddha's "mundane" teachings (which include teachings on how to be prosperous, how to govern a country, and so on). What he terms "the Nirvana view" runs into a problem here, because if Nirvana-with-r...
by Lazy_eye
Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:48 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 17170

Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

Hello: Some of the most contentious discussions here on DW have concerned the ultimate purpose of the path (see the Great Nibbana Debate thread ). Aloka recently posted a very interesting paper, by Daniel Breyer, at the BWB forum . I think it presents the underlying issue very clearly. I didn't see ...
by Lazy_eye
Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Poll: Belief in rebirth
Replies: 143
Views: 35110

Re: Poll: Belief in rebirth

If everything is due to a cause, how do they understand the causes and effects of what they observe everyday with their own eyes on this world. (eg: beings born on fortunate/unfortunate circumstances on this life, or beings living unskillfully their whole lives but never getting any negative conseq...
by Lazy_eye
Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Attachment to family
Replies: 32
Views: 10302

Re: Attachment to family

I think that some may be misunderstanding metta. Metta allows one to be more caring for their family members as it's caring without expecting anything in return from the other party. Good will without any expectations. Wishing the best for others, regardless of how they are acting in the present. W...
by Lazy_eye
Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:07 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Attachment to family
Replies: 32
Views: 10302

Re: Attachment to family

I honestly don't think children or spouses will miss any lack of affection if you practice loving-kindness (metta). Bhante, I think that they will. The parent and/or spouse who behaves this way will be perceived as disengaged, and family/marital life will suffer. Affection is the necessary "gl...