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by daverupa
Sun May 01, 2016 11:59 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Where are the post-annihilationist monastics?
Replies: 65
Views: 4431

Where are the post-annihilationist monastics?

I decided that this was probably a very useful question to follow up on. First: (8) “Bhikkhus, of the speculative views held by outsiders, this is the foremost, namely: ‘I might not be and it might not be mine; I shall not be, and it will not be mine.’ For it can be expected that one who holds such ...
by daverupa
Sun May 01, 2016 11:37 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What music are you listening to right now?
Replies: 1868
Views: 159202

Re: What music are you listening to right now?

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Amethystium - Ethereal
by daverupa
Sun May 01, 2016 2:04 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

Lazy_eye wrote:Is there some slight disagreement here as to whether existence exists?
I bet it's a case where the term 'existence' as 'permanence' is being thought about & argued, where 'existence' as 'currently-steady-state' (what we might call 'change-while-standing') is all that it needs to mean.
by daverupa
Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:29 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: just a quick chess game
Replies: 5
Views: 816

Re: just a quick chess game

1.d4 d5 2.b3 Nf6 3.Bb2 e6 4.a3 c5 5.e3 cxd4 6.exd4 Be7 7.c4 dxc4 8.Bxc4 O-O 9.Nf3 Ne4 10.Nbd2 Nxd2 11.Qxd2 Nc6 12.O-O a6 13.b4 b5 14.Be2 Bf6 15.Qd1 a5 16.Bxb5 Na7 17.Be2 axb4 18.axb4 Bb7 19.Ne5 Bxe5 20.dxe5 Nc6 21.Qxd8 Rfxd8 22.Rxa8 Bxa8 23.Bf3 Nxb4 24.Bxa8 Rxa8 25.Bc3 Nc6 26.Ra1 Rxa1+ 27.Bxa1 g6 28...
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Meditation traditions?
Replies: 7
Views: 917

Re: Meditation traditions?

Most of the stuff you're hearing about is based on the Vipassana movement; this movement is a category within Buddhist meditation generally.
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:11 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

PSS: Actually this view that "dhammas" have no real essense has lead Mahayanists to a view, that there is no need to leave samsara, we just need to "cleanse" our view of it, and thus we'll find ourselves in nibbana (which is samsara in Buddha's view). From here > Eternal Buddha's Fields, Emanation ...
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:00 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

I found the passage confusing -- it seems to set up existence as a real (if unappealing) thing that can be gotten rid of. It's not a thing, it's a state of affairs. Eternalism & annihilationism are related to Self-views, not to things existing and then ending. Suffering exists , for example ("It is...
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:14 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

Of course; does this knowledge mean knowledge of paticcasamuppada but without grokking the mainline understanding of bhava? --- Is it just me, or do we indeed find many examples of the Buddha converting various other wanderers & brahmins, but not so much annihilationist wanderers? They were said to ...
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:50 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

So, an arahant is sitting there, looking at paticcasamuppada rolling along, without the ability to see past lives. The arahant is still sitting there, and looking on, without the ability to see beings re-arise in various ways. How can this be understood? Who knows what paticcasamuppada looks like t...
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:35 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

So, an arahant is sitting there, looking at paticcasamuppada rolling along, without the ability to see past lives. The arahant is still sitting there, and looking on, without the ability to see beings re-arise in various ways.

How can this be understood?
by daverupa
Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:28 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

My thinking was that the arahant knows that the ending of dukkha has occurred, though the body may yet stand as a condition for unpleasant feeling. But that's only temporary, and when it ends there's just no more fuel around for such things, whether or not it would have happened. Maybe it's too thin...
by daverupa
Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:16 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

For the sake of argument, let's say someone is agnostic about rebirth and they practice diligently and attain arahantship. Are they then still agnostic about rebirth? SN 12.70 applies here. It demonstrates that for some arahants (most? could it be... ALL of them?) the regularity of the Dhamma is se...
by daverupa
Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:34 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 4359
Views: 273848

Re: the great vegetarian debate

For documentaries there's also Our Daily Bread as well as Food, Inc. These may be better for the soft at heart.
by daverupa
Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:42 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

So, to get around a rebirth-necessity in the case of a null bomb or a death doctor, begin from the foundation that agnosticism prevails in all cases of post-death assertions. This also removes post-death promises from being considered as primary goals since the Dhamma is unique in offering a 'here a...
by daverupa
Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:32 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

You mean, how does nibbana resist the claim of being the same as this 'null bomb'?

...let's see, I'll sleep on it...
by daverupa
Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:09 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

I'm somewhat underwhelmed; I'm not sure the distinctions being made actually exist, and there's just really vague phrasing in general that makes me want to sit them down and have a good chat about some basics.
by daverupa
Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:42 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?
Replies: 58
Views: 4683

Re: Goal of the path: "nirvana" vs "nirodha"?

The author sets up a few different phrasings for the Dhamma's purpose in order to explore some axiology. X is the ultimate good. In other words, only X is intrinsically good; everything else that counts as good is only instrumentally or constitutively good to the extent that it contributes to the at...
by daverupa
Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:27 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Faith (Saddha) In Theravada
Replies: 21
Views: 1080

Re: Faith (Saddha) In Theravada

Mkoll wrote:Deja vu? ;)
Well, at least I didn't ramble on and on this time.
by daverupa
Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:53 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Faith (Saddha) In Theravada
Replies: 21
Views: 1080

Re: Faith (Saddha) In Theravada

It's confidence/trust in what one is having described to oneself; it is enough trust such that, in the Dhamma's specifically pragmatic theory of knowledge, one has the foundation simply to begin an investigation.
by daverupa
Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:29 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What music are you listening to right now?
Replies: 1868
Views: 159202

Re: What music are you listening to right now?

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Nickodemus - Endangered Species

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Illitheas - Sunset Oer Mooera (Chillout Mix)