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by Dinsdale
Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is it that take birth ?
Replies: 50
Views: 902

Re: What is it that take birth ?

Take care. So are you convinced yet my teaching from the Pali has merit and is well substantiated; similar to Upali who manifested conviction in MN 56? Licchavis, the appearance of five treasures is rare in the world :bow: . Pañcannaṃ, licchavī, ratanānaṃ pātubhāvo dullabho lokasmiṃ. What five? Kat...
by Dinsdale
Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is it that take birth ?
Replies: 50
Views: 902

Re: What is it that take birth ?

The meaning of birth ( jati ), old age and death are clearly shown in SN12.2, and these are clearly physical/biological rather than metaphorical. "Now what is aging and death? Whatever aging, decrepitude, brokenness, graying, wrinkling, decline of life-force, weakening of the faculties of the vario...
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is it that take birth ?
Replies: 50
Views: 902

Re: What is it that take birth ?

2. Jayati appears to not mean jati in dependent origination, as was showed by SN 12.10. :redherring: The meaning of birth ( jati ), old age and death are clearly shown in SN12.2, and these are clearly physical/biological rather than metaphorical. "Now what is aging and death? Whatever aging, decrep...
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is it that take birth ?
Replies: 50
Views: 902

Re: What is it that take birth ?

As I said, 1st it needs to be translated properly. In other words, is the Pali referring to the soul (atman) being buried in the cemetery life after life? :strawman: Or does it referring repeatedly visiting dead relatives in the cemetery? :shrug: as follows: Clearly not when the previous line is in...
by Dinsdale
Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 654

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

Bundokji wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:40 am
So, change is never directly experienced, but inferred.
When you practice mindfulness of breathing, are you inferring the bodily sensations involved?
by Dinsdale
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:45 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are we hypocrites?
Replies: 24
Views: 359

Re: Are we hypocrites?

SarathW wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:32 pm
For instance, I feel empathy when I see a dead animal or animal to slaughter.
But I have no problem eating meat or fish.
That seems more like self-interest than hypocrisy - though perhaps there is a connection?
by Dinsdale
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Are we hypocrites?
Replies: 24
Views: 359

Re: Are we hypocrites?

Bundokji wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:19 am
Maybe the idea of hypocrisy is also linked to self view. We are expected to be consistent through time and space. This consistency requires an unchanging self.
Hypocrisy seems to involve inconsistency, a shifting self.
by Dinsdale
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Determinism vs Dependent origination
Replies: 44
Views: 536

Re: Determinism vs Dependent origination

I respectfully disagree. Dependent origination is in itself a fabrication which explains suffering hence the aim of Buddhist practice is to break free from it. Dependent origination isn't just an explanation of suffering. In the "transcendental" mode it is also a way out of suffering. https://www.a...
by Dinsdale
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Determinism vs Dependent origination
Replies: 44
Views: 536

Re: Determinism vs Dependent origination

pegembara wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:01 am
As for determinism - Is the radioactive decay deterministic or random?
Both, I think. ;)
by Dinsdale
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:27 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Cut down the forest (lust), but not the tree?
Replies: 3
Views: 113

Re: Cut down the forest (lust), but not the tree?

Cut down the forest (lust), but not the tree ; from the forest springs fear. Having cut down the forest and the underbrush (desire), be passionless, O monks! https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/dhp/dhp.20.budd.html What is the meaning of the above statement? See note 20: "The meaning of thi...
by Dinsdale
Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:09 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 654

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

Because the aggregates are no longer subject to clinging, the arahant feels pleasure and pain but is disjoined from it: "Sensing a feeling of pleasure, he senses it disjoined from it. Sensing a feeling of pain, he senses it disjoined from it. Sensing a feeling of neither-pleasure-nor-pain, he sense...
by Dinsdale
Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 654

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

Five, not clinging-aggregate is only Anicca, and Anatta but not Dukkha. Am I correct? Please comment. The Khandha Sutta does make a distinction between "plain" aggregates and clinging aggregates. https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.048.than.html On the other hand, it would appear ...
by Dinsdale
Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Will Westerners ever catch Buddhism ?
Replies: 96
Views: 1603

Re: Will Westerners ever catch Buddhism ?

I caught Buddhism as a young man and have never been able to get rid of it. The National 'Elf Service can't do nuffink to 'elp. :tongue:
by Dinsdale
Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link
Replies: 100
Views: 1593

Re: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link

The descriptions above seem to refer to living creatures, and not to the cells which make them up. The difficulty is trying to work out from the suttas when dukkha completely and finally ceases. Suttas like this one tend to muddy the water: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn38/sn38.014....
by Dinsdale
Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link
Replies: 100
Views: 1593

Re: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link

I'm sure part of it is the mental anguish associated with the thought of extinction. Though I suspect it goes deeper than this, as much biology as psychology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-preservation The wikipedia article is really weak. It mostly talks about organisms in general and what it...