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by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 12:31 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: What is the subject in: Dhammaŋ sutvā gahapatīnaŋ Buddhe saddhaŋ uppajji.
Replies: 13
Views: 921

Re: What is the subject in: Dhammaŋ sutvā gahapatīnaŋ Buddhe saddhaŋ uppajji.

[ Then I'd read it as "having heard dhamma, confidence in the buddha arose for the householders". I'm much inclined to agree with you, and take the householders as the subject. There is a very similar syntactic construction in DN 16 - Atha kho bhagavato vassūpagatassa kharo ābādho uppajji Then whil...
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:19 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Sabbe dhammā anattā
Replies: 49
Views: 2965

Re: Sabbe dhammā anattā

Since it does not seem related to the philological issues I have in mind, may I trouble you come back to the thread proper, if that's the purpose of your visit.
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:15 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Sabbe dhammā anattā
Replies: 49
Views: 2965

Re: Sabbe dhammā anattā

Indeed you can, as articles are not a feature of Sanskrit or Pali. They have to be inferred from context.
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:06 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Sabbe dhammā anattā
Replies: 49
Views: 2965

Re: Sabbe dhammā anattā

Actually, attā does not merely mean "self". Based on how it is used in the Upanisads, it can only mean "the Self". Translating it as merely "self" completely obscures the fact that attan here is not functioning as an adjective, but as a substantive noun. Part of the wariness and reluctance of the tr...
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:55 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Theravada/o
Replies: 16
Views: 765

Re: Theravada/o

Pali is treated a little differently. The grammarians classify their Pali stems by their endings. So, some a-stems are dhamma, buddha . n-stems include rajan, attan, kamman in-stems include vādin, passin . i-stems include isi u-stems include bhikkhu The terminal consonants and vowels are not dropped...
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: How do monks navigate the peculiar relationship Avalokiteśvara has to Theravada Buddhism?
Replies: 18
Views: 1008

Re: How do monks navigate the peculiar relationship Avalokiteśvara has to Theravada Buddhism?

Depending on who consecrated the image, the seated figure could be either the Puranic Brahma, or the Buddhist Brahma Sahampati.
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:44 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Sabbe dhammā anattā
Replies: 49
Views: 2965

Re: Sabbe dhammā anattā

Coëmgenu wrote: A user pointed out that "anattā" frequently means "not-self", not "no-self"
So, do you think the more common anattā even means "not-self", or should it be "not the Self"?
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:35 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Theravada/o
Replies: 16
Views: 765

Re: Theravada/o

binocular wrote: Do Pali nouns have basically the same system as Latin ones?
What do you mean?
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:32 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Theravada/o
Replies: 16
Views: 765

Re: Theravada/o

Coëmgenu wrote: Wait, is the nom singular "Theravadī" or "Theravado"?
A theravādin is someone who adheres to the theravāda. :tongue:
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:19 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Theravada/o
Replies: 16
Views: 765

Re: Theravada/o

English works will almost invariably take the anglicised Indic from the lemma, not from any of the inflected forms. Occasionally however, when quoting a passage, the words are given in their full inflected glory, if there needs to be a discussion on the meaning of the inflection. When loaning words...
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:52 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: What is the subject in: Dhammaŋ sutvā gahapatīnaŋ Buddhe saddhaŋ uppajji.
Replies: 13
Views: 921

Re: What is the subject in: Dhammaŋ sutvā gahapatīnaŋ Buddhe saddhaŋ uppajji.

Dhammaŋ sutvā gahapatīnaŋ Buddhe saddhaŋ uppajji. (Exercise A #15, from lesson viii of Nārada's "An Elementary Pali Course") First of all, I was confused by the lack of a nominative, but now believe that the nominative 'te' or even "gahapatī/īni" is implied--correct? But this does raise a question ...
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:46 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Theravada/o
Replies: 16
Views: 765

Re: Theravada/o

This is an utterly mundane question, but does anyone have any idea why we say "Theravada" and not "Theravado", which seems like it would be the correct nominal form of the word? Hi Coëmgenu In English discourse using Pali terms, only the uninflected forms are used. The reason for this is simple. En...
by Sylvester
Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:29 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Sabbe dhammā anattā
Replies: 49
Views: 2965

Re: Sabbe dhammā anattā

... Hi L.N. I had earlier hoped to avoid getting entangled in that endless disputation on whether "not-self" means no-self, or "there is a self to be found outside of the All". My project here is less ambitious and it had only the philological objective of establishing the meaning s of anattā as us...
by Sylvester
Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:43 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Sabbe dhammā anattā
Replies: 49
Views: 2965

Re: Sabbe dhammā anattā

As for the English rendering, 'without self', it makes little sense in light of Buddha's explanations in Chachakka and other suttas: "If anyone were to say, 'The eye is the self,' that wouldn't be tenable. The arising & falling away of the eye are discerned. And when its arising & falling away are ...
by Sylvester
Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:34 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Sabbe dhammā anattā
Replies: 49
Views: 2965

Re: Sabbe dhammā anattā

Hi Dmytro This is where I think we need to distinguish between how a lexicographer and a morphologist work. You'll note that the CPD offers the bracketed option. A lexical project like the CPD will treat attan and its derivative atta as "words" through lemmatisation from the inflected forms (althoug...
by Sylvester
Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:39 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Sabbe dhammā anattā
Replies: 49
Views: 2965

Re: Sabbe dhammā anattā

I believe his table is a combination of the attan and atta lemmas, judging from the presence of all the typical inflections of atta.
by Sylvester
Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:05 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Sabbe dhammā anattā
Replies: 49
Views: 2965

Re: Sabbe dhammā anattā

Oh no, you don't! This thread must be maintained in its philological purity! No Ontology pls, lest the Selfies make their way here. :guns:
by Sylvester
Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:05 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Sabbe dhammā anattā
Replies: 49
Views: 2965

Sabbe dhammā anattā

This post will explore the meaning of sabbe dhammā anattā , particularly the issue of whether its anattā is the same in meaning as the anattā found in eg - Rūpaṃ anattā, vedanā anattā, saññā anattā, saṅkhārā anattā, viññāṇaṃ anattā Form is nonself, feeling is nonself, perception is nonself, volition...
by Sylvester
Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Existence (physical/real world) and the All
Replies: 70
Views: 2373

Re: Existence (physical/real world) and the All

First order of business, numbers. kāma is singular kāmā is plural kāma = sensual desire, sensual pleasure (all in singular) kāmā = the 5 sense objects. See - kāma, m. [ts., cf. BHSD, SWTF, Encyclop. of Bud- dhism VI, 1 1996 s.v.; Hôb. s.v. ai], 1. (mostly in sg.) wish, desire, pleasure; 2. (in pl.) ...
by Sylvester
Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:41 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Upanishads and Buddhism: Comparative Study Resources
Replies: 13
Views: 1058

Re: Upanishads and Buddhism: Comparative Study Resources

[code whether or not the Buddha was influenced by the Vedic literature, including the Upanishads][/code] This is no different to the question whether Albert Einstein was influence by his contemporary scientist. There is no reason to doubt it. The suttas show remnants of the Upanisadic worldview. Th...