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by Unrul3r
Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:17 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Avijjā
Replies: 16
Views: 1268

Re: Avijjā

LXNDR wrote:seems you took offense at an innocent opinion, i swear i didn't mean to undermine your self-esteem :broke:

that's funny :heart: :hug:
What makes you think that?

:anjali:
by Unrul3r
Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:07 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Avijjā
Replies: 16
Views: 1268

Re: Avijjā

i'd prefer 'discernment' over 'foresight' since we're speaking of seeing into not the future but the nature of things Suit yourself, stick with what you prefer, I have no problem with that. We're? Are you speaking in behalf of a group? If not, maybe you should change that into "I am". :anjali:
by Unrul3r
Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:08 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

daverupa wrote:
Sylvester wrote:...
Very nice; it's good to have more material for discussing how Buddhism isn't that guy saying "I don't say it exists, I don't say it doesn't exist, I don't say..."...
Indeed. It's good that you mention that, so that others don't think otherwise.

:anjali:
by Unrul3r
Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:47 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

... I see. Again, thank you for your detailed assessment. So, as you've said before, you hold "There is no self". I won't argue with it since I don't hold that it exists (nor that it doesn't). So, with that said, I can only hope you don't get tied up in argumentation due to that view. It would be t...
by Unrul3r
Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:42 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

In regards to the difference between those two, which I'd translate as "There is no self"\"self doesn't exist" ( natthi attā ) & "My self doesn't exist" ( natthi me attā ), I think the problem is not only the "my" in the second one, it is also the natthi in both. Existence & Non-existence of self o...
by Unrul3r
Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:19 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

I did not say it was your claim, but good luck with not holding views. Until awakening, you are going to hold views whether you want to or not :anjali: The "you" was a meant to be generic "you," but I suppose I could have said: Until awakening, one is going to hold views whether one wants to or not...
by Unrul3r
Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:17 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

Yoohoo :hello: I confess - I'm an adherent to the natthi attā (There is no self) camp, even if I don't have the direct vision into the Stream to explain continuity in terms of This-That Conditionality. For one, I think the natthi attā (There is no self) view is very different from the natthi me att...
by Unrul3r
Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:09 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

tiltbillings wrote:I did not say it was your claim, but good luck with not holding views.
tiltbillings wrote:Until awakening, you are going to hold views whether you want to or not
:anjali:
by Unrul3r
Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:04 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

tiltbillings wrote:Until awakening, you are going to hold views whether you want to or not.
That is your claim, not mine. As far as I know, holding views is over at sotāpanna. If you hold onto any, I just hope you won't suffer by them.

:anjali:
by Unrul3r
Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:48 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

Just to chime in here on Tilt's reference to MA 62 - http://w3.cbeta.org/cgi-bin/goto.pl?linehead=T01n0026_p0497b02 The passage he cites says "無我, 空我" (no-self, empty of self). This does not appear to be a typo, since in the same sutra, anatta is indicated by the standard Agama idiom 非我 (not-self)....
by Unrul3r
Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:20 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

... I'm sorry, I don't have anything further to add. All the lines of reasoning in which I have posted have finished. :anjali: I don't understand this statement. It means, the purpose for which I posted has completed it's course. I have nothing further to add. But answer at least one more question:...
by Unrul3r
Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:54 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

tiltbillings wrote:...
I'm sorry, I don't have anything further to add. All the lines of reasoning in which I have posted have finished.

:anjali:
by Unrul3r
Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:33 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

The point is that any notion of -- sense of -- self that we might have, as the Buddha clearly states, is derived from the khandhas. There is no independent, self existing permanent self to be found in our experience. Dhp: Sabbe dhammā anattā'. We can look at this greater detail if you wish. I agree...
by Unrul3r
Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:00 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

If there is some sort of claim by the Buddha such as "There is no self" please reference it directly. I posted these texts here: http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=20923&start=180#p295240 Bhikkhus, what exists by clinging to what, by adhering to what does view of self arise? … When the...
by Unrul3r
Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:31 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

I thought I had studied and cited those references adequately. Yet all that you find in them is “Upanishads, Norman & Gombrich quotes, not suttas …” It is easy for ATI weenies to post suttas. Understanding the context and unpacking the meaning is quite another matter. I'm sorry you think that way. ...
by Unrul3r
Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:53 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

I've never seen a reference similar to that, could you provide? You may have missed these: I have already given references to the Tathāgata’s denial of Ātman here , here , here , here and here on this thread. Please read carefully Norman and Gombrich’s papers cited. I just see Upanishads, Norman & ...
by Unrul3r
Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:40 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

What I do not agree with, however is the idea that the Buddha completely denied atta. That means the Buddha denied nibbana, and I don't agree with that statement. Since suffering arises from identifying oneself (atta) with what one is not (anatta), the release from suffering is the realization that...
by Unrul3r
Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:39 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Anatta - a hindrance?
Replies: 374
Views: 16055

Re: Anatta - a hindrance?

What I have so far gleaned from the replies I have received is that Buddhism completely denies atta because not denying atta keeps one in Saṃsāra -- and that anatta is conducive to (or identical with) nibbāna -- and therefore one should consider anatta as the goal of Buddhism . Please correct me if...
by Unrul3r
Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Looking for a Sutta
Replies: 8
Views: 763

Re: Looking for a Sutta

Hello fellow Dhamma Wheelers, I'm looking for another sutta that I've been trying to retrace in memory but to no avail, may some of you can recognize faster. It's one where there is a simile about a man that has passion for a woman, sees her laughing with another man & suffers, afterwards he abando...
by Unrul3r
Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Looking for a Sutta
Replies: 8
Views: 763

Re: Looking for a Sutta

Hello fellow Dhamma Wheelers, I'm looking for another sutta that I've been trying to retrace in memory but to no avail, may some of you can recognize faster. It's one where there is a simile about a man that has passion for a woman, sees her laughing with another man & suffers, afterwards he abandon...