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by Alex123
Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Core teaching of the Buddha
Replies: 71
Views: 3549

Re: Core teaching of the Buddha

The thing is that cart, as a whole, as emergent property does exist... Person as emergent property from assemblage of 5 aggregates does exist as anicca, dukkha, anatta. Well, as long as we understand 'person' to mean 'individual' in the sense of one continuity-process among others ("one person amon...
by Alex123
Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:07 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Core teaching of the Buddha
Replies: 71
Views: 3549

Re: Core teaching of the Buddha

However, an unknown amount of time passed and suddenly canonical texts started to claim: "there is no self. When you have a cart, and you look only at the parts, there is not cart at all. Only when you see the whole cart, an image of 'a cart' arises, but a thing wich has 'the nature of a cart' as i...
by Alex123
Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 75132

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

This all stems from a slight misunderstanding of rebirth. From one life to the next, everything ceases except one thing, which is karma-formations (saṇkhāra), or one's past kamma. There is no continuation of consciousness at all, which breaks down like the other 5 aggregates (saṇkhāra in this conte...
by Alex123
Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:31 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 75132

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

there's a succession of cittas (consciousness moments), each conditioning the next. And that process continues across lives via the paṭisandhi-citta ("relinking citta"). So it is a type of continuity, in the sense that there is continuity across a chain or continuum. I wonder, from where does citta...
by Alex123
Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 75132

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

But thats my whole point. There will be a stream of conciousness between here and the next ten minutes, or years that may not have at its core an individual, self or soul but there is an experience of continuity isn't there? Sure; keep in mind that it's probably an experience of sakkaya-ditthi as w...
by Alex123
Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 75132

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

This all stems from a slight misunderstanding of rebirth. From one life to the next, everything ceases except one thing, which is karma-formations (saṇkhāra), or one's past kamma. There is no continuation of consciousness at all, which breaks down like the other 5 aggregates (saṇkhāra in this conte...
by Alex123
Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2132
Views: 75132

Re: Continuation of conciousness / awareness

The problem with what is normally considered an "answer" - "objectifies non-objectification" as Ven. Sariputta said. In other words, what we're talking about isn't graspable by thought . It gets to the heart of non-grasping itself. Total non-grasping cannot be put into terms which inherently involv...
by Alex123
Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426810

Re: What is rebirth?

If we look deep into a brain, we see brain cells are continuously died and recreated. Information that are stored in these cells are regularly copied from the old ones to the new ones, and are stored in various places. This copying process is continuously happening in our body. We can see that ( in...
by Alex123
Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:53 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426810

Re: What is rebirth?

How is this information is copied from one brain to another? We don't see any physical link between a person who died, in one place and reborn in another place which could be very far away. To answer this question, when a person A is dying, the copy process takes place and B is created (At this tim...
by Alex123
Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426810

Re: What is rebirth?

Therein lies the problem. If one looks for a physical link, one will not find one. Rebirth is not a physical, material link. There is no physical element which goes from one body to another. But if consciousness, memory, mental skills, etc, depends on physical - then new birth is new birth rather t...
by Alex123
Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426810

Re: What is rebirth?

SarathW wrote:Too much investigation in to rebirth (next life) come under the unskilful act of, "Who I was, Who I am, Who I will be" etc.

:redherring:

The question is how does memory, mental qualities, 24 paccayas, etc, transfer from one life to another. Nothing to do with Atman which doesn't exist.
by Alex123
Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426810

Re: What is rebirth?

Do you agree that the information can carry over without requiring a brain? It depends on the kind of information we are talking about. Human personality and mental qualities requires a brain. Look at DNA, do you see how the information is stored without requiring a brain? Do you see the patterns i...
by Alex123
Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426810

Re: What is rebirth?

If you see the dependent origination you see the rebirth. How can one prove that bhāva ( or even ‎taṇhā ) leads to jāti ( as literal rebirth )? Maybe when the body is gone, so is the mind with all the memories, skills, etc. An interesting post that I made to an interesting article . I have no doubt...
by Alex123
Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426810

Re: What is rebirth?

The problem is that memories and mental qualities depend on the brain. When a person dies, so does the brain. So how can there be any carry over? If we look at the cell division, we see that the new cell retains the memory of the old one without requiring the brain. A cell does not have a brain and...
by Alex123
Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6089
Views: 426810

Re: What is rebirth?

Let me make an example: Assume A is about to die. The copy process take place, B is a copy of A. Therefore, B has all the memory of A as well as all the personalities of A. When B completely separated from A, A is dead and B is the brand new being. B is not A, but B is no different from A. When B d...
by Alex123
Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:05 pm
Forum: Modern Interpretations
Topic: Interesting blind-spot consciousness phenomenon
Replies: 3
Views: 798

Re: Interesting blind-spot consciousness phenomenon

Intriguing article, never heard anything like that before: " http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150925-blindsight-the-strangest-form-of-consciousness " Combine it with Libet's experiments and consider... Libet's experiments suggest to some[7] that unconscious processes in the brain are the true init...
by Alex123
Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Core teaching of the Buddha
Replies: 71
Views: 3549

Re: Core teaching of the Buddha

Dear Bhante Pesala, The MN27 seems to say that full conclusive faith comes only at Arhatship? His heart, thus knowing, thus seeing, is released from the fermentation of sensuality, the fermentation of becoming, the fermentation of ignorance. With release, there is the knowledge, 'Released.' He disce...
by Alex123
Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Core teaching of the Buddha
Replies: 71
Views: 3549

Re: Core teaching of the Buddha

Dear Bhante Pesala, You have been posting on this forum for five years, and still have not acquired faith in the teachings. Maybe you should re-evaluate your practice to do more meditation so that you can get rid of your doubts. My understanding has been steadily increasing, and so is confirmation i...
by Alex123
Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:35 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Core teaching of the Buddha
Replies: 71
Views: 3549

Re: Core teaching of the Buddha

Dear Bhante Pesala, Nothing, but you're not analyzing the teachings by dismissing the suttas that don't accord with your views. Mā nayahetu: Do not believe something merely because it accords with your philosophy. Mā ākāraparivitakkena: Do not believe something because it appeals to "common sense." ...
by Alex123
Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Core teaching of the Buddha
Replies: 71
Views: 3549

Re: Core teaching of the Buddha

Dear Bhante, To empirically verify the existence of America requires a ship or an aeroplane. To empirically verify rebirth requires psychic powers. I am not sure that psychic powers are empiric. Other ascetics also had psychic powers and their vision was different. False memories are also possible. ...