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by mogg
Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Discovering Buddhavamsa
Replies: 22
Views: 6269

Re: Discovering Buddhavamsa

It mentions only 6 Buddhas, but it does not say that there have only been only 6 Buddhas in the past 91 aeons. It fails to mention Dipankara, who was one of five Buddhas in that fortunate aeon in which the bodhisatta Sumedha is said to have obtained the sure prediction. Citation please Venerable? C...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:53 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit
Replies: 33
Views: 7533

Re: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit

I'm sensing a disconnect between practical reality and conceptual understanding here Kirk. I recommend coming out to Asia and staying at some of the forest monasteries in Northern Thailand, Myanmar, and Northern Malaysia to see the shortcomings in that last comment. Thanks for the recommendation bu...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:08 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit
Replies: 33
Views: 7533

Re: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit

What's to elaborate? It describes those who dwell in the forest, not in a monastery. As Ajahn Mun did for much of his life. I'm sensing a disconnect between practical reality and conceptual understanding here Kirk. I recommend coming out to Asia and staying at some of the forest monasteries in Nort...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit
Replies: 33
Views: 7533

Re: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit

There is nothing in there which advocates emaciation kirk which is the entirety of this discussion. What you have listed is run of the mill forest tradition practice. Have you ever stayed at a forest monastery? No I have not stayed at a forest monastery. And staying at a monastery is not what is be...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit
Replies: 33
Views: 7533

Re: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit

Bhikkhus, the foremost of my bhikkhu disciples among those who expound the ascetic practices is Mahākassapa." Bhikkhus, there are these five kinds of forest dwellers... One who becomes a forest dweller for the sake of fewness of desires, for the sake of contentment, for the sake of eliminating...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:35 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Discovering Buddhavamsa
Replies: 22
Views: 6269

Re: Discovering Buddhavamsa

The early four nikayas have the 'smell of truth' to them. The later additions do not. Proceed with caution! With respect Mogg, I find this attitude odd. There are many sola scriptura Christian groups who use similar reasoning to chuck out texts which do not agree with their own preconceived notions...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit
Replies: 33
Views: 7533

Re: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit

Not in the first 4 Nikayas, but it is in the Sutta Pitaka; the Khuddaka Nikaya > Dhammapada, verse 395. The message is not consistent with the first four nikayas which take precedent. It is in fact consistent with the ascetic practices (dhutanga) mentioned in AN 5:181-190. There is nothing in those...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Discovering Buddhavamsa
Replies: 22
Views: 6269

Re: Discovering Buddhavamsa

tiltbillings wrote:
Nyorai wrote:“To become vegetarian is to step into the stream which leads to nirvana.”
― Gautama Buddha
No such text as this exists in the Pali suttas. This sort of thing is found in the very much later tathagatgarbha sutra of the Mahayana.
+1
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit
Replies: 33
Views: 7533

Re: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit

we/can/ read /the.words/of/sutta,/but Ajahn/Mun/ lived /the/words/of/this/sutta: "Calamity, tumor, misfortune, disease, an arrow, a danger for me." Seeing this danger in sensual strands, wander alone like a rhinoceros. Cold & heat, hunger & thirst, wind & sun, horseflies &...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:37 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit
Replies: 33
Views: 7533

Re: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit

I don't think Ajahn Mun is austere and emaciated. He is rather "dwelling alone, secluded, heedful, ardent, & resolute — so that in no long time he would reach & remain in the supreme goal of the holy life" As it says in many places in the first 4 nikayas. http://www.ajahnchah.org/...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Discovering Buddhavamsa
Replies: 22
Views: 6269

Re: Discovering Buddhavamsa

Proceed with caution! Always good advice, whether reading the suttas posting on the Internet. or just crossing the road. The Four Great References Good advice Venerable. I'm more than open to further education and having my mind changed. If you believe that I am incorrect in my views of the contrad...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Discovering Buddhavamsa
Replies: 22
Views: 6269

Re: Discovering Buddhavamsa

The early four nikayas have the 'smell of truth' to them. The later additions do not. Proceed with caution! According to you. ...and all of the monastics that I have met whom I place faith in (in several different countries). Naturally people will follow their own inclination, but if you are going ...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit
Replies: 33
Views: 7533

Re: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit

The austere photo of Ajahn Mun does not convey the Buddhas message as presented in the Nikayas. Allow me to supply some alternatives: Do you have any photos of Ajahn Chah after he suffered a stroke? I do in fact but that wouldn't be particularly relevant to the point I was making. The OP was using ...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:04 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit
Replies: 33
Views: 7533

Re: Moaning & Groaning and the Path & Fruit

395. The person who wears a robe made of rags, who is lean, with veins showing all over the body, and who meditates alone in the forest — him do I call a holy man. A great monk indeed, but that quote is not from the original four nikayas, and as such, should be discarded IMO. You will not find emac...
by mogg
Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Discovering Buddhavamsa
Replies: 22
Views: 6269

Re: Discovering Buddhavamsa

I would personally dismiss the Buddhavamsa as hagiographical. The first four nikayas are the word of the Buddha, and in DN 14 the Buddha mentions that there have been only 6 Buddhas in the past 91 aeons (and he lists them, Lord Buddhas': Vipassi, Sikhi, Vessabhu, Kakusandha, Konagamana, Kassapa). Fu...